I will look at this during the weekend.
However, basically it's not ok removing time-outing players in the EL2013-tourney. That leads to warnings, and could repeadetly done in more matches lead to disqualification.
Time-outing not lead to penalties or any adjustments of results. So in this case - will only a warning become considered to give.
However, what concerns me is if teams do not express removals before the rosters are locked. Sort of saying that the best practises is to highlight removals or complaint about it in forehand before locking any roosters. Doing it afterwards could be seen as you were aware of these removals but kept quiet just to be able afterwards complain to make your opponents get warnings. That's neither fair play, and nothing we want to promote. It could also lead to a warning, and if repeadetly done in more matches, also be considered as a behaviour reasonable result in more warnings and finally may even disqualification.
However, I want to read through your comments a little bit more carefully before making any decisions. But be prepared for some warnings.
EL2013 - Division 1 forum
I want to restate once again, that team Armenia found out the removal after the locking of rosters, if we see any removal during the waiting period we immediately warn the director or admins of other side.
Another very important fact-when we remove any player for any reason (e.g. player in multiple teams), we mandatorily inform the director of league, in this case Johan, about our intention and only after confirmation we remove the player.
Current results and standings updated for Division 1:
http://www.chess.com/groups/forumview/el2013---division-1-scoreboard-and-standings
Team Russia leading closely followed by Team Armenia, and then Team England.
We locked yesterday and waiting to Team Spain. http://www.chess.com/groups/team_match?id=257412
Current results and standings updated for Division 1:
http://www.chess.com/groups/forumview/el2013---division-1-scoreboard-and-standings
Team Russia leading before Team Armenia, Team England, and Team Germany.
Team Ukraine 
Team Croatia
I must wrote that this is only WL match...We did not agreed to count this as EL, too.
WL-games are automatically counted as EL-games.
No agreements needed between the teams for that.
However, you'd been able agree upon setup a separate game instead of this WL-game to count that as a EL-game instead.
So, your WL-game will be counted as an EL-game.
WL-games are automatically counted as EL-games.
No agreements needed between the teams for that.
However, you'd been able agree upon setup a separate game instead of this WL-game to count that as a EL-game instead.
So, your WL-game will be counted as an EL-game.
So, team A sends team B an EL challenge. Team B declines and refuses to play. Team B doesn't forfeit?
It was always said that accepting EL challenges was mandatory, no?
If both teams agree to the WL match counting, that should be fine, perhaps, but if both teams don't agree, surely the team actually willing to play the EL match should get it by default.
Otherwise, it rather makes a mockery of the EL, doesn't it?
johan, I strongly disagree with the principle of all WL matches automatically counting as EL matches. For that to be a valid principle there is no need to have a EL at all.
I agree, it should be decided by both admins to count one match for WL and EL or to play them separately
Guys,
In my personal humble opinion, it typically doesn't make sense to play 2 games starting less than 2-3 months from each other.
Or are the rules so much different nowadays? Like the minimal number of games one should finish before being allowed to play EL/WL?
@above: something to be gathered when time for next season.
The current rule regarding counting WL-games automatically as EL-games, but ok to be replaced by a separate EL-game if both teams agrees upon it, have in place some seasons now. It has worked fine for seasons. But anyway, could be reasonable gathering and reconsider for next season, when time for that.
Johan I think right understanding should be... WL games can be counted for EL if both Teams agreed it
There is another important aspect :
There are players who participate on a team in WL and another team in EL. If a match counts double, these players may occur in multi-matchplayers list in WL or EL :((
The current rule regarding counting WL-games automatically as EL-games, but ok to be replaced by a separate EL-game if both teams agrees upon it, have in place some seasons now. It has worked fine for seasons.
As I can remember originally WL matches could be counted as EL in case both team admins agreed and announced it. Then (2012) EL matches must be separate.
I guess most thought that this rule was just rolled back in 2013.
Current clarification (automatically count) looks unfair - the WL2013 and EL2013 rules are quite different...
So, if any team admins protested then matches must be separate.
The rules about counting the WL-games as EL-games automatically have in place for years. That's nothing new at all.
In EL2010 it was implemented like this:
"Already finished or currently ongoing WL2010-games within the World League OPEN CATEGORY (that fullfil the team match settings) will be counted as EL-2010 games."
In EL2011 it was implemented like this:
"Already finished or currently ongoing WL2011-games within the World League (that fulfill the team match settings) will be counted as EL-2011 games."
In EL2012 it was implemented like this:
"Already finished or currently ongoing WL2012-games within the World League (that fulfill the team match settings) will be counted as EL-2012 games."
And in EL2013 it was implemented like this:
"Already finished or currently ongoing WL2013-games within the World League (WL-game settings are allowed.) will be counted as EL2013 games. However, the teams are allowed to replace them with another game if both sides agree."
However, the later sentence has been in place in practise since EL2010, so - the already since years - applied best practise was just wrote down and included into the official rules.
@adriano81 - there is a difference between a) automatically EL=WL and (b) for the respective admins to come to an agreement.
We have also had cases where teams DEMAND that only 1 match should be played rather than 1 for each League.
Thinking of smaller teams who may not be in both leagues it could be seen as an unfair advantage for the bigger teams to play less matches against each other.
@adriano81 & redman; looks like all 3 of us were behind the the rules as pointed out by Johan in post 73 and also at:
http://www.chess.com/groups/forumview/el2013---general-match-instructions
http://www.chess.com/groups/forumview/el2012---tournament-setup-and-rules-decided
@silverlight: your point 1 is an ideal yes and unfortunately the match in question hasn' been named that way.
Points 2 and 3 are irrelevant - the rules of the European League, links above, state that the WL settings can apply and the WL matches count.
I think both Teams should have an agreement if they want to count One game for both leagues. And of course it seems unfair if one Team want to play two separate games and other want to play just one.... Especially if this one game have started when calendar for both Leagues been declared, it's seems ridiculous to name it just World League game and then declare this game for both Leagues with no agreement... some kind of misinterpretation happens here (((
@silver_light, you never gave any explanation why did you removed those players, and these complains are not unfair.
P.S. the only penalty should be given to the rule brakers.