how to deal with ban attacks?

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this club: https://www.chess.com/club/the-super-admin-legends faced a ban attack yesterday and it dropped to 170 from 190. I am wondering how can we prevent this from happening?

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Don't promote members to admin/SA that aren't trustworthy

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Martin_Stahl wrote:

Don't promote members to admin/SA that aren't trustworthy

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Martin_Stahl wrote:

Don't promote members to admin/SA that aren't trustworthy

I created the club that it would get ban attacked😈

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I mean to waste trolls Time

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Perhaps I do not understand the term "ban attack?"

I thought it meant a club found several games in a match with another club to be suspicious for fair-play violations, and appealed to the arbiters. Appealing to the arbiters is not an "attack" -- it's more like a defense if suspicions are found true. What am I missing?

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Impractical wrote:

Perhaps I do not understand the term "ban attack?"

I thought it meant a club found several games in a match with another club to be suspicious for fair-play violations, and appealed to the arbiters. Appealing to the arbiters is not an "attack" -- it's more like a defense if suspicions are found true. What am I missing?

A ban attack is when an SA or Admin goes rogue and ban members from a club for no reason.

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Brisingaro wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:

Don't promote members to admin/SA that aren't trustworthy

Copy and paste.

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Wow really

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Can SA demote/kick admins

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ICplaychess wrote:

Can SA demote/kick admins

Yes, an SA could remove everyone from the club, except the Owner.

An Admin could kick everyone but those with ranks, I believe. Not sure about if they could kick Coordinators.

Coordinators is a safe role. If you are looking to give an honourary slot to someone, that is the best. They can't really do anything if they decide to go rogue, except make a lot of tournaments lol

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RabbitRover wrote:
ICplaychess wrote:

Can SA demote/kick admins

Yes, an SA could remove everyone from the club, except the Owner.

An Admin could kick everyone but those with ranks, I believe. Not sure about if they could kick Coordinators.

Coordinators is a safe role. If you are looking to give an honourary slot to someone, that is the best. They can't really do anything if they decide to go rogue, except make a lot of tournaments lol

SA or admin can only remove 20 members per day
Coordinators can do some damage by deleting all messages in live chat or restore rule breaking messages in live chat ofc

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Martin_Stahl hat geschrieben:

Don't promote members to admin/SA that aren't trustworthy

Sorry, but how to know that? You never know

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LordWinter30 wrote:
Martin_Stahl hat geschrieben:

Don't promote members to admin/SA that aren't trustworthy

Sorry, but how to know that? You never know

Look at account history. New accounts should never be made admin of a club unless your personally know the person and know for a fact they own that account.

You probably should never promote anyone to an admin level in a club if they haven't been a member of that club for a significant amount of time and haven't been involved in club activities, including the club forums/chat/notes. If they have been helpful and active for a long time, they might be a good fit for an admin position.

Never give admin to members that beg for it or try to strongarm, threaten, or bully you into giving access. That should go without saying but I've heard of it happening.

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Martin_Stahl wrote:
LordWinter30 wrote:
Martin_Stahl hat geschrieben:

Don't promote members to admin/SA that aren't trustworthy

Sorry, but how to know that? You never know

Look at account history. New accounts should never be made admin of a club unless your personally know the person and know for a fact they own that account.

You probably should never promote anyone to an admin level in a club if they haven't been a member of that club for a significant amount of time and haven't been involved in club activities, including the club forums/chat/notes. If they have been helpful and active for a long time, they might be a good fit for an admin position.

Never give admin to members that beg for it or try to strongarm, threaten, or bully you into giving access. That should go without saying but I've heard of it happening.

Some ban attackers has been in cc more than a year -_-

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like @I_was_closed_by_lichess @MESSI-THE-GOAT-OF-FUTBOL @MagnusCarson2345678889912

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Account age is never going to guarantee no issues. But a lot of the time it's not long term members that do it. As mentioned, time in the club is important too. Active club members have invested time in those clubs and are less likely to sabotage them. Again, no guarantees, but likely to drop 90+% of the issue

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Martin_Stahl wrote:

Don't promote members to admin/SA that aren't trustworthy

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Martin, thanks for your input. Thanks too for Rabbit Rover explaining "ban attack."

I'm owner of Paul Morphy club, which was dead in water in spite of the originator iSpaceChess and I making numerous forums which generated some initial interest. It seems that interest dropped off when an active participant's account was closed for cheating. Out of desperation, I asked Club Admins for help, and got an Admin I did not previously know to help--he got busy and boosted membership up well over 100 and started up some matches.

All seemed good, but there was little participation in forums or active chat, vote chess chat; it did not seem the membership reflected dedicated Morphy fans. Maybe the few Morphy fans out there were absorbed into the other "Morphy clubs" and jealousy between these groups has developed? Unfortunately, my active new Admin had to close his account for personal reasons (at least that was the communication--whether he is still on chess.com under another name, who knows?). None of the other Admins he brought on board appear to be arranging matches, vote chess, or adding to forums.

We haven't had ban attacks, but with his disappearance, I'm having the same old problems keeping activity going. I think youth does have something to do with this fickle apathy of club membership. The volume of young members seems to have diluted out and changed the character of why players join a club today versus why they joined in the early chess.com days.