Insights: Various Possible Problems

Before anyone say this isn't Beta related, I'm assuming that any changes to Insights would appear in Beta first.

I also note that Unlimited Insights is one of the main justifications for paying extra for a Diamond Membership.

Some of these may not be bugs, they may just been down to my erratic play, it is hard to say, which is why I thought I'd open a topic on it here to try and pin down what is what.

1. Apparently in over 2000 games in all formats I have never found a fork with a king.

I thought perhaps this was possible, but a few days ago I was congratulated in the coach explanation in the review (the other main justification for Diamond Membership) for finding a fork with my king. It was only a pawn and a minor piece, but it counts bishop forks between a pawn and a rook (credited in the same time period and format).

I think this is a bug and I have reported it but had no feedback on it as yet. Does anyone have any count above zero for King forks?

2. Insights does not reflect the new move classifications. It has never, to my knowledge, reflected 'Great Moves'. (I believe I reported the absence of Great Moves as a bug months ago, but I wouldn't swear to it).

3. I'm not sure what constitutes a 'Balanced Game' classification, but I find it hard to believe that I have a) just 12 in all formats in over 2000 games and b) I won the 12 out of 12 Insights has classed as 'balanced'.

Again, this may be something to do with my playing style, but it doesn't quite ring true to me.

I have lots of suggestions for improving Insights, but it seems pointless submitting them when clearly things are already not all they should be.

Worse, because of what appears to be some obvious oversights, I'm sceptical about the figures that are shown, which makes the whole feature fairly useless - even more than 'performance based on geography'!

FWIW, on mine it says I'm 1of 1 in spotting king forks, in ~880 rapid games. 1 of 2 in 4.2k bullet games, and it says I have no king forks in ~2k blitz games.

I'm sure the king is the rarest forker out of all the pieces, but I'm surprised it's that low. 0:2000 is even more surprising, especially as you mention being congratulated for finding one recently

Out of curiosity, are your stats also coming out of blitz games (where I also have the 0 out of ~2k?) You mention "all formats" but I don't see how to combine blitz/daily/rapid/bullet all in to one lumped category (maybe I'm a bit dense this morning, I havent had my coffee yet, but I dont see how to do it!).

PS - I think this post very much belongs here!! I am skeptical about some of these stats as well.

are you sure the format is the same on both the game and the insigts?

No, I don't see how to do it either, I just manually added up the totals.

The screen shots are taken from my blitz games which make up maybe 80% of my games.

The fact that you have something other than zero for king forks suggests that it IS working. What did you fork with the king? The game position should be available to see by clicking on the board icon next to the stat.

If there isn't a pawn involved, that might simply explain my zero figure despite the coach's commentary. I must admit I don't ever remember a fork with the king besides the aforementioned, so perhaps they are just pretty rare occurrences.

forked pawn+knight:

I don't know, the frequency of how often these are noted just seems at least an order of magnitude lower than I'd expect it to be. It doesn't seem like *that* rare of a move But then again, human perception/memory being as fallible as it is (mine, anyway!), I could be wrong about that.

So, the fact mine wasn't recorded in Insights does indeed appear to be a bug.

I did bug report it with a game link, although I can no longer remember which game it was or how to access past bug reports sent. But I do remember it was a minor piece and a pawn also, as I mentioned that in the report because I wondered if that didn't count.

Perhaps such forks aren't so rare. I do remember the first time I saw 'King Forks' in Insights thinking that I'd never really considered the king a forking piece before.

You can't access previous bug reports.

They are rare. Here are mine:

And the frequency and similar player comparisons

Balanced is rare as well for me:

Ah! So THIS is a balanced game ....

Good job they are rare!

This is actually the result of what I have previously posted and bug reported as a 'corrupt analysis board' in Daily chess. Obviously all the moves all corrupted too. My opponent resigned on move 49.

In fact it is strange, because if I click on Download, clearly all the moves are there...

[Event "Team Gandalf New Members Tournament #3"]
[Site "Chess.com"]
[Date "2023.02.16"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Eadwig2"]
[Black "RapidOverdose"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A45"]
[WhiteElo "1615"]
[BlackElo "1510"]
[TimeControl "1/259200"]
[EndDate "2023.03.23"]
[Termination "Eadwig2 won by resignation"]

1. d4 b6 2. Bf4 Nf6 3. e3 Bb7 4. c3 Nc6 5. Nd2 e6 6. Ngf3 Bd6 7. Bg3 Bxg3 8.
hxg3 O-O 9. Bd3 h6 10. Qc2 Re8 11. O-O-O Ng4 12. Nb3 e5 13. d5 Ne7 14. e4 d6 15.
Nh2 Nf6 16. Qe2 c6 17. Ng4 Nxg4 18. Qxg4 Bc8 19. Qe2 cxd5 20. exd5 Bb7 21. Be4
f5 22. Bd3 Bxd5 23. Bb5 Bxb3 24. axb3 Rf8 25. f3 Qc7 26. Qc4+ Qxc4 27. Bxc4+ Kh8
28. Rxd6 e4 29. Re6 Ng8 30. fxe4 fxe4 31. Rxe4 Nf6 32. Rd4 Rad8 33. Rhd1 Rxd4
34. Rxd4 Re8 35. b4 g5 36. Bb5 Re4 37. Rxe4 Nxe4 38. g4 Kg7 39. Bc6 Nf2 40. Bf3
Kf6 41. Kc2 Ke5 42. Kd2 Kf4 43. c4 Nxg4 44. Bxg4 Kxg4 45. c5 bxc5 46. bxc5 Kf5
47. g4+ Ke6 48. b4 Kd5 49. Ke3 1-0

King fork? No. Still a big fat zero in Insights (although two queen forks from the same game were counted).