Match Problems

Bonjour à tous

Que Toulouse et d'autres équipes soient exclues l'année prochaine,c'est à vous de voir mais vous allez vous retrouver avec une compétition avec une quinzaine de villes au lieu de 40

cordialement

esma

My view is, that if you continue to chat in the way as you are doing, than there will be no next season as Marignon will just hesitate to spend his valuable time to run something, where people just tries to find gaps in rules and win for any price, if they cant win on the chessboard and get rude on each other.

Regional vs city teams was discussed a lot in WCL and link between regional team and city team is not clear in many cases, so I would keep decision on pure decision of league admin, whom to accept. As it would be quite easy just to update team name or team description for Toulouse and Quebec if they are removed from competition and than they can blame Marignon that they should not have been removed.

On Babylon I would agree with above. It is not existing city, so I would rather vote to not accept them, especially when team Baghdad exists and can play this league. Because if Babylon can play, why Simpsons cant play saying that they represent Springfield :-) ... sorry for this comparison.

Overall I see rather more important rules and issues, like players competing for more teams, removal of low ranked players etc., which are affecting all competitions more than finding out if this is regional or city team. As said at beginning - I would keep only on league admin to use his judgement, which team can be really taken as representing some city.

And last point - those competitions at Chess.com needs to be really taken as fun, so please enjoy them and not try to find some ways to win for any price.

For the people who defend team Quebec please see below the description of team Quebec written by the admin of team Quebec. You can see clearly that he is saying that he represent the province du Quebec.

And in the team composition there are players from the province of quebec and not just from the city of Quebec.

''Ceci est l'équipe officielle représentant la province du Québec. Nous participons a plusieurs matchs/évènements excitants. 'Une équipe tout Québec. Francophone, anglophone ou chinois y a pas de problème si vous habitez au Québec. Si vous êtes fier d'être Québécois joignez-vous ! Go Québec Go !!! Borisside

Esmeralda please do not threat us. We prefer playing with less teams but with teams that represents just one city and a fair competition rather than a big competition with region teams and unfair for the majority.

Message for all admins and especially for Esmeralda admin of team Toulouse  Occitanie.

Esmeralda you are saying that your team  are from Touluse.

In this case why i found just 3 players from Toulouse from the match below where your team signed 74 players?

escacs31

Pifano31

fredamblard

From 74 players only 3 of them thinked to write Toulouse on their description profile?

http://www.chess.com/groups/team_match?id=591710

Is this a pure coincidence? All 74 players are from Touluse but 71 players wrote a different city to their profile description. All 71 of them are really from Toulouse?

I understand that with the globaliozation people work in different cities from where they born.

But i found difficult to believe that all 71 of them that have diffferent city on their profile are from Toulouse.

There are a lot of team where at least 50% of the players have written the city name on the profile. Yours only 3 players from 74. This means lesst than 2%.

99% of the players of team Bucharest have on their profile name Bucharest.

Esmeralda, please be honest.

If your 71 players with different city name are From Toulouse i apologize.

If this is the case please tell them to be proud of Toulouse. To not forget their roots.

Kind regards,

qu'est-ce qu'un joueur digne de représenter une ville comme Bucarest,celui qui y vit,qui y est né,qui y travaille ou y a travaillé,passé ses vacances,a des amis,de la famille,dites-moi? le règlement est-il aussi précis sur ces points?

Esmeralda please answer my question. Answering with another question is not the best solution.

We all have friends from all over the world. That means in your acception  that we should include our friends from all over the world in our city team?

Sorry, I did not follow this discussion. I am personally very happy with all teams participationg this season. 

I will soon (in 2-5 days) start making a list of suggestions for voting (after the New Year holiday)

Bobi wishes:

1. Ban fictionary or historical cities that have no actual dwellers. 

2. Ban regional teams. 

Please, make other suggestions of topics.

Not only about admission. Any other rule or point

Any admin (of teams participating this season, having some experience) can also present his candidature to run the competition next year.

 For those who don't understand french very well, I translate what Esmaralda said previously:

"How to define an eligible player for a city such as Bucharest, the one who lives, who was born, who works, who has spent his holidays in it, has friends and family from it, please tell me? Are the rules so precise on these points?"

Here, bobi, Esmaralda uses rhetorical questions to put forward her arguments. These do not demand answers. Do you understand that?

I totally agree with Dale00007, his arguments are sensible and wise.

Also thank you for you post Marignon, I guess it is not easy to manage these sort of issues and debate.

To my opinion, the bottom line is that a successful competition is a competition that attracts a large participation. Therefore it should be inclusive rather than exclusive. Excluding players or teams on arbitrary decision is never sensible. There can be, for instance, players that would like to participate but not living in a large city, or in a city that do not/cannot participate. Why shouldn't they be allowed to play for a city of their choice if they have for instance some of attachment to it?

In another forum, I presented all my arguments on this case, and don't want to repeat them over and over, but in a nutshell:

• The tournament format of chess.com is not really suitable for this sort of competition, hence the necessity for a minimum of flexibility. If the rules are too strict and limiting, it is going to open a can of worms, and there will be endless issues with in fine all sorts of arbitrary decisions, cheating, frustration and anger.
• Constraining players based on what they wrote on their profiles is just building a castle on sand. People are free to write what they want without any control of any sort, and it only relies on their own honesty. For instance are all the players of the Bucharest team from Bucharest? Have some been told to modify their profile to reflect their apartenance to that team?
• As Esmaralda correctly mentionned, how do you define the eligibility for playing for a team? The flag rule was accepted, although it has a lot of flaws and clearly shows its limits. Putting more conditions is completely nonsensical. All the more that we are living in a world of great mobility when people travel and can live far beyond the "walls" of a city. This is no longer ancient greece, you know...
• Unlike what some have said, there is no fairness in putting such constraint because then the probablity of a city team for winning would depend largely on the size of the city, limiting it to the few largest ones. This competition will then become rather unchallenging and unexiting, and also fairly discouraging for the smaller cities.

And how much time and effort would be required to check every single player of every single team? Who would be willing to do that tedious thankless task? As Dale00007 said, there are far more important issues to deal with that this one!

@bobi184 si je n'ai pas répondu à ta question c'est que j'estime contre-productif un tel débat,en réalité il y a bien plus de joueurs que tu penses qui jouent avec Toulouse depuis de nombreuses compétitions,je veux ajouter qu'il n'est pas non plus intéressant de voir s'affronter des mastodontes tels que Moscou contre une équipe asiatique ou australienne de 6 joueurs,par ailleurs on comprends aisément que des grandes villes à l'effectif important s'inquiètent de voir des équipes plus modestes grossir jusqu'à constituer une menace

cordialement esma

 Sorry if you felt I was lacking of respect. I was just annoyed to see that argument coming up again, and with the same accompanying threat of leaving, etc. I have some Mediterranean blood in me and am an upfront person; anything that sounds like trickery or hypocrisy makes my blood boil... Such as for instance that "indirect kick" you launched on me when you said: 'I will not speak with you with the same language because this means lower myself to your level' trying to look like the nice cool guy and portraying me as the bad guy. Nice one! I think anyone here can appreciate your attitude... Besides, my comments were not agressivity, merely sarcasms.

Having said that I can speak calmly too and have presented my arguments above, as I did in the past.

You also replied to Esmaralda: "Esmeralda please do not threat us." How dared you say that ?! Few messages ago, you were yourself threatening of leaving the competition if your views were note adopted! And Esmaralda was not threatening anything of that kind at all, just saying that it would be your responsibility if many teams would be excluded next year. She said excluded not leaving!

Ok, only excuse you have, she was writing in french (because she is not as fluent in English as I am) and you may not have grasped the subtleties of the words, although in my opinion you seem to understand French well enough.

Kind regards

Kojer, you are playing in the city competitions for Baghdad and you are also playing for Team Babylon. Which city are you from? And why you represent 2 different teams in the city competitions? (Open swiss and World City League)

i understand from my colleagues that the city of Babylon do not exists nowadays and that is a historical city near baghdad nowadays. Team Baghdad exists on chess.com.

Why do we have team babylon on this competition of existing cities if Babylon it;s  an historical city that don't exists nowadays?

Kojer i am sorry for what is happening now in irak.

You are From Baghdad, you live in Irbil, and you represent team Mosul on chess.com?

Also you represent team baghdad and team babylon? You represent 3 city teams?

There are more players from Irak like you representing more than one city team?

Have you heard of multiteam players and of the penalization applied for the players that represent more cities in the official competition? Do you know that is ilegal?

Kind regards,

Empee we are talking about the ongoing matches of team Babylon. There is a problem actually.

Empee we are raising this subject for the next year tournament changes.

Kind regards,

Thank you Empee. :)

ce qu'il y a derrière tout ça c'est l'inquiétude de voir se constituer des équipes capables de les battre

Bonjour

https://www.chess.com/groups/team_match?id=693370