Maximizing game negotiation and avoiding forfeits.

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Wind

Hello everyone!
 
In this thread I will go over some important aspects of game negotiation, showing some things people are used to do which are not the best approach and that slow down the game negotiation process, as well as a quick negotiation example where I'll describe every part of a perfect negotiation.
 
 
First of all, let's take a look at a perfect first post done by Chess.com Coach, Top Blogger and Streamer @KingsBishop, where he followed through with all the negotiation thread instructions:

KingsBishop wrote:

@Paul_the_best_Morphy, my UTC START time availability is:

Friday 0000-0400
Friday 1600-2300
Sunday 0100-0400
Monday 1600-1900
Tuesday 1600-2200
Wednesday 0200-0400
Wednesday 1600-1800

Let me know

 

The primary thing to notice here is that @KingsBishop is interested in playing his game, hence by applying the time windows concept he considerably broadens his opponent's chances of picking a time for their game, speeding up the negotiation process at max.
 
 
Now, let's take a look at a slightly acceptable, but never ideal example of a first post:

Player wrote:

i can play Thursday 1 pm utc

 

This could work, but you're not helping much. You did not give your opponent any margin via your first post, so in case he replies stating that he cannot do it that time, some week time was already gone with no progress made towards getting a game played.
 
 
And finally, let's go over a first post that we see a lot and which is totally wrong, where some people were only safe from a forfeit when their opponents didn't post anything in the thread:

Player wrote:

hi opponent when can you play?

 

When you post this, you're showing no effort in getting a game, since you didn't help with posting time windows for your opponent to pick from. Posting this is pretty much the same as posting nothing at all.
 
 
Another good example of a blank post would be:

Player wrote:

hi opponent i can play anytime

 

Cool, you can play anytime. But if you had listed some times, your opponent could just pick from one of them, instead of having to list times himself. Again, it's about speeding up the process and reducing the time required for a negotiation. If you can play anytime, surely you can improve this one a bit as well:

Player wrote:

hi opponent i can play any day from (time) to (time) in (timezone)
i'm free to play most of the time so let me know

 

Can you spot the difference? The first one didn't have time windows, so you'd have to wait for your opponent's times to make an agreement. The second one, however, has some of your times so your opponent can just pick from one of them and you'll have a game agreement already. Two steps instead of three. So in case anything happens and one of the players cannot show up, there's still time to try and find another time agreement for the game.
 
 
It is also important to mention that once you have listed your times, it is a fact that you are available for any of them, thus once your opponent picks from one of them the game is agreed upon, pronto. There is no need for confirmation from the first poster, even though this is good practice and noble sportsmanship. So in case you see your opponent pick from one of the times you've listed, please confirm whenever you can. If you didn't confirm, we admins are assured that you are following the thread and that you have seen the time your opponent has picked for the game.
First posters have the upper-hand on the game negotiation, but also all times listed must be considered thoughtfully since their opponent can pick from any of those times and the game agreement is therefore validated.
 
 
Now, what to do when you cannot show up for your game? Here's what not to do:

Player wrote:

hi i spilled my soda so i won't be able to play sorry

 
That's a rather sad event, but where are your times? Can we make it better? Let's see:

Player wrote:

hi @opponent something happened and i won't be able to play in our agreed time.
i'm available that same time on (days) and also from (time) to (time) on (days), all in (timezone)
let me know if you can play in any of those or list some of your times as well.

 
You did it so much better this time that even your soda wouldn't dare to spill!
 
 
Last but not least, let's see both bad and good negotiation examples.

Player1 wrote: (Thursday)

hi when can u play

Player2 wrote: (Saturday)

hello i see you're online can you play now?

Player2 wrote: (Saturday)

my opponent is online and not answer !!!!

Player1 wrote: (Sunday)

i was on mobile. when can u play tell me ur times

Player2 wrote: (Sunday)

i can play 2pm

Player1 wrote: (Sunday)

i see u online now lets play

Player2 wrote: (Sunday)

i cant play now

Player2 wrote: (Monday)

i can play tomorrow 2pm 

Player1 wrote: (Monday)

what is the timezone

Player2 wrote: (Monday)

sorry 2pm edt

Player1 wrote: (Monday)

i cant play this time can u do tomorrow 20:00 utc

Player2 wrote: (Tuesday)

i didnt see ur message i can play now

Player2 wrote: (Tuesday)

my opponent not answering !!!! i claim forfeit

Player1 wrote: (Tuesday)

im here lets play

Player2 wrote: (Tuesday)

no u too late its forfeit

 
Ok that was... not ideal. Now let's see a good one:

Player1 wrote: (Thursday)

Hello @opponent
I can play any day from 12:00 to 18:00 utc. Let me know when it's good for you.

Player2 wrote: (Friday)

Hi! Let's do Saturday 15:00 utc. See you then!

Player1 wrote: (Friday)

Good! See you.

Player1 wrote: (Saturday)

Hi @opponent sorry! Something happened I won't be able to play today.
I can play Sunday 15:00 to 21:00 utc or weekdays 12:00 to 14:00 utc, let me know!

Player2 wrote: (Saturday)

Let's do Sunday 15:00 then, see you!

Player1 wrote: (Saturday)

Cool, thanks!

Player2 wrote: (Sunday)

It is Sunday 15:00 UTC and I'm here for my game.

Player1 wrote: (Sunday)

Cool, let's do this!

Game played on Sunday 15:00 UTC and posted at the Results Thread.

 
That was good! 
 
 
I believe that's all for this post. Follow these examples and avoid unclear first posts or replies and you should do good! Remember that it is all about getting a game played, so it should never become a negotiation fight. It is a chess league, not an activity contest.
Finally, I'd like to ask (again) that if you're not a player from either team in a Negotiation Thread nor an admin with the sole purpose of guiding players through the process, that you please do not post there, as it disrupts ongoing negotiations and makes it more time consuming to the players that are legitimately trying to get a game time. Constant breaking of this rule could damage not only you but also your team in case you are ejected from the league.

Thank you all for reading and best of luck with your games! happy.png

jason543

lol i think one of those was mine

jason543

or similar at least

SpeedyCyclone

Great example @Wind

Have fun and Good Luck!

NubbyCheeseking

Is the "I can play any time" supposed to be me lol

Most people could play any reasonable time in their time zone especially due to these circumstances

NubbyCheeseking

So personally the "I can play any time and am in (time zone)" is fine for rn 

Brudo_the_Chess_King

Thanks for posting this! 

This might help some teams tbh

SpeedyCyclone
NubbyCheeseking wrote:

Is the "I can play any time" supposed to be me lol

Most people could play any reasonable time in their time zone especially due to these circumstances

Mostly Yeah but try to say:

'Hi! I am in the (timezone) and I can play (date-date) at usually (time-time) PM

What about you?'

Wind
NubbyCheeseking wrote:

So personally the "I can play any time and am in (time zone)" is fine for rn 

It is ok, but not ideal.
If you can play anytime, make sure to include some times so that your opponent gets from one of them. Even if you can literally play anytime, just include a big window then and it'll make life easier and speed up the negotiation process.

NubbyCheeseking

I just say

"Sup @(username), I'm in CDT and can play really any reasonable CDT time. So tell me when you wanna play and then I'll probably come"

Wind
SpeedyCyclone wrote:
NubbyCheeseking wrote:

Is the "I can play any time" supposed to be me lol

Most people could play any reasonable time in their time zone especially due to these circumstances

Mostly Yeah but try to say:

'Hi! I am in the (timezone) and I can play (date-date) at usually (time-time) PM

What about you?'

Perfect!

SpeedyCyclone

EternallyBad

ROL I now know how NOT to negotiate well!

StealthNight

Lol

pleasantkid2009

lol