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Rory_Mcgillicudy_sucks
BeautifulGoose 写道:
sksshooter a écrit :

I posted this variant as an NCV, but it was declined cuz not enough testing games. So can anyone post some ideas to improve this, or add me a friend so i can invite u? BTW, this variant is called Lightning strike, pretty similar to surprise attack

The concept of the game is to keep balance on attacking and defending your king, since it is stuck in a "palace". To attack , the player has to occupy the (from this view)the ab and mn islands and attack from the side, dig a tunnel on the bcde and jklm dead pieces, or attack the opposite opponent with grasshoppers. If you are lucky , you can save your time by letting your opponent dig the tunnel, and till the tunnel is done, you can attack its high-place archbishop.

Rules: No promotion, opposite pieces worth twice more

I like the idea 👍

But I tink Amazon is to powerful for a so small space. If the amazon enter in the camp of somebody else, than is will be very very easy to checkmate because the Amazon control a lot of squares around him.

this is all the squares that an amazon can control

Thanks! So I think a Queen will be better right? The Queen is more vulnerable to Knight-Class pieces, not good at attacking, but a good defender in the Home Palace.

Rory_Mcgillicudy_sucks
ChessMasterGS 写道:

I’m curious, shouldn’t a variant, especially an NCV’s goal to be as unique as possible?

Haven't u played fatal giveaway? That's a custom variant on the normal chessboard with no fairy pieces

zisal2029
sksshooter wrote:
ChessMasterGS 写道:

I’m curious, shouldn’t a variant, especially an NCV’s goal to be as unique as possible?

Haven't u played fatal giveaway? That's a custom variant on the normal chessboard with no fairy pieces

Yes, but now that variants with no custom board are no longer important, your positions should include fairy pieces.

ChessMasterGS
zisal2029 wrote:
sksshooter wrote:
ChessMasterGS 写道:

I’m curious, shouldn’t a variant, especially an NCV’s goal to be as unique as possible?

Haven't u played fatal giveaway? That's a custom variant on the normal chessboard with no fairy pieces

Yes, but now that variants with no custom board are no longer important, your positions should include fairy pieces.

Not necessarily. But Fatal Giveaway is purely to do with gamerules and has nothing to do with position, and we used to accept those variants. If you made a variant using the standard board called “Atomic Duck Chess”, it would obviously not be accepted today.

That being said, you can’t make your standards too low. Comparing an NCV to something like Fatal Giveaway isn’t a good mindset.

zisal2029

Btw, older replies seeking feedback on a position often get covered up by new ones without anyone replying and the older replies are ignored. I wondered if we should fix that problem, because I still have a pending question from Post #661.

BeautifulGoose
zisal2029 a écrit :
sksshooter wrote:
ChessMasterGS 写道:

I’m curious, shouldn’t a variant, especially an NCV’s goal to be as unique as possible?

Haven't u played fatal giveaway? That's a custom variant on the normal chessboard with no fairy pieces

Yes, but now that variants with no custom board are no longer important, your positions should include fairy pieces.

Do you know that the most popular NCVs hasn't fairy pieces?

War For Trone hasn't fairy pieces, Gustav's Box hasn't fairy pieces, King Safety hasn't fairy pieces, Behind the Scenes hasn't fairy pieces...

ChessMasterGS
BeautifulGoose wrote:

Do you know that the most popular NCVs [doesn't have] fairy pieces?

War For Throne [doesn't have] fairy pieces, Gustav's Box [doesn't have] fairy pieces, King Safety [doesn't have] fairy pieces, Behind the Scenes [doesn't have] fairy pieces...

Yep, that's mostly due to there actually not being any fairy pieces as far as I know when those variants were released; but it teaches us a valuable lesson on how even though what we have today is far more varied than before, we can still make really great variants with common pieces.

JkCheeseChess

But Eyes of Horus is still the best variant

josephruhf
ChessMasterGS wrote:
BeautifulGoose wrote:

Do you know that the most popular NCVs [doesn't have] fairy pieces?

War For Throne [doesn't have] fairy pieces, Gustav's Box [doesn't have] fairy pieces, King Safety [doesn't have] fairy pieces, Behind the Scenes [doesn't have] fairy pieces...

Yep, that's mostly due to there actually not being any fairy pieces as far as I know when those variants were released; but it teaches us a valuable lesson on how even though what we have today is far more varied than before, we can still make really great variants with common pieces.

And I am getting criticism for having a limited horizon, which I actually don’t, for the fairy pieces I use in my designs.

zisal2029
BeautifulGoose wrote:
zisal2029 a écrit :
sksshooter wrote:
ChessMasterGS 写道:

I’m curious, shouldn’t a variant, especially an NCV’s goal to be as unique as possible?

Haven't u played fatal giveaway? That's a custom variant on the normal chessboard with no fairy pieces

Yes, but now that variants with no custom board are no longer important, your positions should include fairy pieces.

Do you know that the most popular NCVs hasn't fairy pieces?

War For Trone hasn't fairy pieces, Gustav's Box hasn't fairy pieces, King Safety hasn't fairy pieces, Behind the Scenes hasn't fairy pieces...

Technically, the commoner/spare king in WFT is a fairy piece not seen in regular chess, but yes, I did think about all the non-fairy-piece variants at the same time. I meant to say that my statement from earlier is only mostly true.

JkCheeseChess
josephruhf wrote:
ChessMasterGS wrote:
BeautifulGoose wrote:

Do you know that the most popular NCVs [doesn't have] fairy pieces?

War For Throne [doesn't have] fairy pieces, Gustav's Box [doesn't have] fairy pieces, King Safety [doesn't have] fairy pieces, Behind the Scenes [doesn't have] fairy pieces...

Yep, that's mostly due to there actually not being any fairy pieces as far as I know when those variants were released; but it teaches us a valuable lesson on how even though what we have today is far more varied than before, we can still make really great variants with common pieces.

And I am getting criticism for having a limited horizon, which I actually don’t, for the fairy pieces I use in my designs.

that's not because of your usage of fairy pieces, it's because all of your positions, while they are very good, simply look too similar to each other

NoWellOkay
josephruhf wrote:
ChessMasterGS wrote:
BeautifulGoose wrote:

Do you know that the most popular NCVs [doesn't have] fairy pieces?

War For Throne [doesn't have] fairy pieces, Gustav's Box [doesn't have] fairy pieces, King Safety [doesn't have] fairy pieces, Behind the Scenes [doesn't have] fairy pieces...

Yep, that's mostly due to there actually not being any fairy pieces as far as I know when those variants were released; but it teaches us a valuable lesson on how even though what we have today is far more varied than before, we can still make really great variants with common pieces.

And I am getting criticism for having a limited horizon, which I actually don’t, for the fairy pieces I use in my designs.

Hi, You have designed some interesting positions already! But there have been a lot of submissions that don't seem to have a very deliberate setup. Why an extra chancellor and hawk for example? Why not just list many very similar setups to the NCV library? They are fun and interesting casual games, but are problematic in terms of variety and it's hard to discern their particular merit. Remember that many NCVs already have a very sparse player base, so more is not necessarily better.

josephruhf
NoWellOkay wrote:
josephruhf wrote:
ChessMasterGS wrote:
BeautifulGoose wrote:

Do you know that the most popular NCVs [doesn't have] fairy pieces?

War For Throne [doesn't have] fairy pieces, Gustav's Box [doesn't have] fairy pieces, King Safety [doesn't have] fairy pieces, Behind the Scenes [doesn't have] fairy pieces...

Yep, that's mostly due to there actually not being any fairy pieces as far as I know when those variants were released; but it teaches us a valuable lesson on how even though what we have today is far more varied than before, we can still make really great variants with common pieces.

And I am getting criticism for having a limited horizon, which I actually don’t, for the fairy pieces I use in my designs.

Hi, You have designed some interesting positions already! But there have been a lot of submissions that don't seem to have a very deliberate setup. Why an extra chancellor and hawk for example? Why not just list many very similar setups to the NCV library? They are fun and interesting casual games, but are problematic in terms of variety and it's hard to discern their particular merit. Remember that many NCVs already have a very sparse player base, so more is not necessarily better.

The name of that NCV says why.

thenomalnoob

I have a new WoF custom variant!
Time control: 0,5 | 2D

Gamerule: Play for mate

zisal2029

A couple of things:

1. What's its name?

2. It may encourage teaming.

thenomalnoob
zisal2029 đã viết:

A couple of things:

1. What's its name?

2. It may encourage teaming.

1. Killer knight

2. In such a short of time I think it can be ffa, but I prefer team

zisal2029
thenomalnoob wrote:

1. Killer knight

Maybe you should try to think of a different name? Not everything has to be named after a piece in the game. If you want Teams you need RG vs BY.

TheKraken831

WoF: Ambushed


Gamerules: RB teams, 50 & 30+ KOTH (You can see where)


The goal of RB is to bring red's royal general to the hill within 50 turns. An alternative would be to checkmate green with the alibaba(although this is near impossible). Yellow must break past blue's defenses on one of two flanks. Blue may need to bring some pieces from the bottom flank to stop yellow from controlling the hill, which may give yellow a chance to break out from the bottom flank, What are your thoughts on improving the position?

zisal2029
TheKraken831 wrote:

50+ (I cant figure out how to do multiple N-checks, I want red to be 30)

Edit the 'lives:' part of the FEN4 that appears in the "Edit Position" tab (the order goes lives for Red, lives for Blue, lives for Yellow, lives for Green):

TheKraken831

Thanks!