Old lessons removed?

The *challenges* are not really challenges they are just a regurgitation of the video..... the old lessons were more interactive and explained exactly why each move was correct or not. Please man I’m begging you.

Hi. We have brought back all of the lessons that we are going to bring back. MOST of the older content is back. 

I was just considering paying again but just looking at this thread makes me feel spurned. What in the world motivated you to get rid of the old lessons that were like real chess book lessons of high quality with interesting writing you could peruse as you did something else. Now were supposed to watch a stupid video and there doesn't seem to be any real high level commentary. I guess your message is "if your actually serious about chess, forget about chess.com. Chess.com is for the masses of not very serious players and is offering mass produced video stuff, not really high level chess education. pretty sad. also. why? did the old lessons take up a lot of bandwidth or space? I guess I'll go order books again.

you should really think about what this may mean for chess.com long term. Saving a couple pennies to not have the old lessons, but loosing the respect of the chess community doesn't seem like a smart long-term move. chess.com is junk for amateurs and that's how it is now. Thanks for nothing.

seriously just tell me why? just put them back exactly the way they were in a separate tab.    Why is that not possible? Is it the rights? WHY?

I already stopped my membership and recommended chess.com to fire the guy who decided to replace old lessons with new. Looking for other chess site. Nowdays there are too many, hopefully will find one where they appreciate members more than in chess.com.

I've started seeing some of the old lessons. I'm able to find them easily on my mobile, but it's a bit of a pain accessing them on my computer. I literally have to do a verbatim search in order to get to them on the computer.

What I am missing from old lessons:
1. The rating of each lesson. Like before, each challenge is better if also has rating. I don't want to waste time on lesson, which is for much weaker or stronger players.

2. Scores for each lesson. I hate crones and those don't motivate me to solve lessons correctly. Also, the old score system was much better, for example, does not matter how many times you solve, you get the score only for first time.

3. Some content from old lessons. I can remember Sicilian and King's Indian, but normal lessons, not poor videos made by Simon William.

Pls leave Erik alone. He built this site, and I like the new lessons to be honest. Even though I haven’t seen much of a change, I played on this site a while back and I prefer the new. U get more material, even though I do agree the 5 daily to 3 weekly is a big dip.

redghost101 thank you. enjoy new lessons

Ok?

This is what I wrote above. Without this no OK.
And they had to keep the old content for people who already purchased membership, because otherwise I paid but I don't use the site anymore. And I don't care if you or some other members like new content. I did not pay for it and will not pay for it.

Bagiki does have a point. It shouldn't matter whether you or I like the new content. If he paid for a membership for the purpose of working those old lessons, that is what he should get. I think the only honorable thing to have done (the time for this is past now) was to let the paying members know of the imminent change, and allow them to access their paid for lessons until the time their current membership ends. Then they're free to decide whether they want to continue to pay for the new lessons.

Memberships are subscriptions to the site and its features. The site is free to change those features to add, modify or remove content. For the vast majority of things, more has been added or modified than taken away. 

Most of the Lessons made it to the new format. While some may find the old formats better, others like the new. It then comes down to if a member feels a subscription is still a good value for the available features when change happens. Not everyone is going to come to the same conclusion.

Again, the membership purchase is a subscription, regardless of the primary reason any particular member decides to subscribe. You are not purchasing the content or the specific presentation of that content, just access to the content while the site continues to host it.

Martin_Stahl , I have feeling like you warn members of chess.com that it is possible that the site will remove all the content because they only have subscription. I completely disagree with you, if for example I would see current lessons, I would not make any subscription. chess.com's old lessons made chess.com different from millions of other sites and it is not fair to remove them based on only few people's decision.

I know, you and others may not be interested in lessons, so you don't care if the quality of the lessons is as same as for videos. And for your information, the difference between old lessons and videos were that in lessons there was no poor content, or such content had low rating. But in videos there is lot of trash and only after spending hours we can identify that.
I can bring examples:
Simon William's Videos:
1. https://www.chess.com/lessons/spicy-openings-the-evans-gambit (this is for <1400 players)
2. https://www.chess.com/lessons/spicy-openings-the-max-lange-attack (this is for <1200 players)
3. https://www.chess.com/lessons/london-system-for-the-busy-chess-player (this is fake, he teaches nothing, no depth at all, poor strategical explanation. So, either for weak or for very strong players but not for players between 1500-2000)

I don't complain about content. I see, almost all old content is converted to new format. I want only to return back following

1. The rating of each lesson. Like before, each challenge is better if also has rating. I don't want to waste time on lesson, which is for much weaker or stronger players.

2. Scores for each lesson. I hate crones and those don't motivate me to solve lessons correctly. Also, the old score system was much better, for example, does not matter how many times you solve, you get the score only for first time.

P.S. I am not very experiences in chess and I used the chess.com very successfuly to teach my son. Now I see that my son does not anymore care if he solves the lesson correctly, or if he solves it from the first attempt, etc. it is very poor decision to remove ranking and scoring system for the lessons. This is the major thing I miss in new lessons. And I wrote this to chess.com support team 2 times already, but they just ignore, so I have to write here and to look for alternative sites.

Davit

What I'm saying is, as a subscription, content and feature can change. Yes, not everyone will like the changes and as you stated, the new lessons aren't worth it to you to maintain a subscription. I get it.

I liked the rating on lessons as well, but can see that something like that doesn't fit well with the current format.  Personally I prefer books, but had done a number of the lessons and enjoyed them for the most part.

Ultimately, things come down to company direction and code compatibility. Apparently it was decided to go a different direction and the old code wasn't going to be compatible anymore and converting the existing format likely wouldn't be cost effective, nor would maintaining old code.

whatever words we use to call it...product, subscription, services, etc..it is obvious, whether you choose to justify it or criticize it, from the myriad number of complaints here that customers were paying for a particular service that got taken away, and they felt cheated as a result. 

I'm not really speaking as a representative of the site, just the way I see it (colored some by being very involved here).

I completely understand the feelings and don't mean to discount them at all. I mainly wanted to delineate the difference between purchasing a product and a subscription that includes access to features. 

When I first started here if they had suddenly removed auto-timeout protect on Daily Chess, I may have rethought my premium decision. That was my primary reason for upgrading, though I have enjoyed the unlimited other features as well, when I make use of them.

As I said, I finish my diamond membership. I am also programmer and the message like software is not compatible that is why we took it away sounds unprofessional. You just don't care about your customers. Enjoy your new and compatible software but not with us!

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