Ethical-Cheating or Chess players Cheat
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Is it possible that people cheat (in chess) to preserve their true fragile egos?
cheaters are only after one thing to win at any cost (low lifes)
Jun 24, 2011
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#65
this thread is struggling. cheating is a handicap eh? that seems backwards.
plus cheating can also get what you want if your clever enough in any sport especially if there is a cash prize but for an ordinary game is it worth it so dont try cheating when playing me coz il know
Jun 24, 2011
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#67
jesterville wrote:
...so it is made painfully obvious that cheating is "alive and well" in our sport...from novices to GMs...for whatever reasons, usually financial...
My problem with the whole affair is that the organisers of chess seem not to care...nothing concrete/substantial is really being done to prevent the cheaters from achieving their goals...and if we accept "the iceberg theory"...then, only a few are actually caught...the majority just keep on doing what they do best.
...no longer does chess have this "intelligent" tag associated with it, no longer does chess have this "gentleman's game" tag...what we have are a bunch of nerds bankrupt of values, trying to make themselves feel better...
...and the problem is bigger than we can imagine...if someone can cheat in a simple game like chess...what do you think takes place in their "real" lives? At school? At work? In their relationships? Hollywood, the Media, society, have all contributed to producing human offsprings that lack discipline, that lack patience, that lack ethics, that lack morals and values that contribute positively. What we have are a great many "beautiful" people on the outside...but they are devoid of any real value on the inside...
You are not suggesting that we will fix the state of the world and all the intruquite social issues..????? are you ????
Jun 24, 2011
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#68
jesterville wrote:
"oinquarki",
It used to be that chess players were thought of as being more intelligent than than the average joe, as well as chess players were thought all cut from "the gentleman clothe"...with the advent of "the engine", this is no longer so...no one needs to be intelligent to beat a GM anymore...just have access to Rybka.
Whats a Rybka?
Jun 24, 2011
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#69
ilikeflags wrote:
msjean and yigor should date via the internet
WHAT PART OF NO DONT YOU GET !!!
"MsJean", Rybka is just one of the strongest chess engines available ...a tool that every cheater has in his arsenal...
...and what I am suggesting, is that cheating is a symptom...
...cheating is used to allow these nitwits to play as an "equal" on the board with real players...
Handicap
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Handicapped or handicap may refer to:
- Disability, a human condition
- Handicapping, various methods of leveling a sport or game
- Golf handicap, a sport-specific handicapping method
- Go handicaps
- Handicaps in shogi
- Handicap principle, an evolutionary theory
- Self-handicapping, a psychological method of finding something to blame for failure besides one's own inability
- Handicap, another name for the old English trading game originally known as Hand-in-cap.
So once a cheater always a cheater, and a cheater would/could cheat in all aspects in life, maybe the IRS would like to be informed of this.
Jun 24, 2011
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#73
@ jesterville
I will have to look up that engine. Thanks for the info.
I still assert that we cant fix all . Chess is a great game with a long history of fine players. Honesty will keep it that way....
a cheater may win a game or to but when thier found out they lose thier freinds and repution if they had any in the first place
"MsJean", no we can't fix all...but let us at least understand this...the chess board by itself does nothing, the pieces cannot play by themselves. When we then introduce the human element...it brings the game alive...but they bring with them baggage, including different levels of morality...it is true that you can't teach an old dog new tricks...if the player is a dishonest individual...then it will translate in his game.
...so my point is this, we tend to assume things about individuals based on what they do...like if you play chess then you must be a smart guy, or if you win the Tour de France seven times in a row then you must be the greatest cyclist who ever lived...in reality the "smart guy" might just be useing a computer to make other people believe he is smart...or the 7-time Tour de France guy might only be able to do it while on "personerlised drugs- to mask detection"...the reality is we just don't know anymore...everything now is grey...
Jun 25, 2011
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#76
jester, you feel like cheating levels the playing field? who do you think is cheating here? 1700s?
Jun 25, 2011
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#77
winerkleiner wrote:
If one cheats (by using a computer) then one is not using their brain, one is using their fingers.
Peace wine-os
hat view is one shared by lots of people. here i a view from Chess cornor
if using computers in online chess is "inherently unethical" many consider it so. Users of computers are labeled "cheaters." Many competitors mention that they would personally gain no satisfaction from winning if they used computer assistance. Many also equated using computers to letting the computer totally generate the moves without any involvement from the player. Using computers has been labeled by many as unethical and unsatisfying without any further thought about more subtle and creative uses of using analyzing computers as tools.
http://amirbagheri.virtuaboard.com/t34-ethical-cheating-in-online-chess
i suppose if you use to computers at the same time on the online chess it would be possible to cheat but would they be caught as a computer has loads of attack and defence senarios
Ok msJean then let's agree to agree. Cheaters win only to themselves and lose to everyone else. Cheaters may seem to win but they are actually losing. Again egos could play a huge part here, the cheater's self-esteem is at sake and won't allow for failure.
Take for instance, giving a person their email address, one wonders what one might do with it, whom it might be given to and what motive that persom has (will that person cheat with the info and set up the other with hardship, or use it for ill gotten gains)?. One needs to be careful of cheaters.
jesterville welcome to the 21st century my friend. Technology had made it easy for the so call cheaters. I guess it's a catch 22 situation where if you don't have internet you don't have chess.com and so forth.