No one knows that for sure. It wouldn't be chess.com anyway, but simply the internet.
Is chess.com safe for children?
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nimzomalaysian wrote:
RonaldJosephCote wrote:
Because allowing threads about cheating would be promoting it. Not the moral compass that Eric had in mind. One parent asking another parent about advice on how to raise kids is something everyone should pay attention to. Parents have been known to give their lives for their children's safety. You don't see a lot of people dying because they want to cheat at games.
But still, when an outsider reads comments like "This place isn't even safe for adults.", he'll think twice about registering here. It'll also make Chess.com look like a site filled with scammers and pedophiles which is totally incorect.
That's why the mods need to take action straight away.
Yeah, that'd be an unfair characterization. It's certainly not full of them, and the overlap of the two results in some double counting that seems to inflate the numbers.
Sep 21, 2016
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#64
nimzomalaysian wrote:
Coach_Leo wrote:
nimzomalaysian wrote:
This thread needs to be locked, I see no difference between this thread and a thread about cheating. It's bad publicity for Chess.com
If this thread is bad publicity, do you think it's because the safety concerns are exaggerated, or because they are legitimate (and should be swept under the rug), or because of some other reason? Children's safety is a sincere concern for most parents, as it should be. Imagine the impression that parents would get if they were told not to ask about it.
Nice. So why not say the same thing about cheating? Why is that considered bad publicity? Are those concerns exaggerated? Or because they are legitimate (and should be swept under the rug), or because of some other reason?
I don't think the cheating discussions should be hidden either (they are not exaggerated concerns -- they are legitamate). Secluding those discussions in a special forum, and constantly telling members to go there doesn't exactly instill confidence that that issue is being adequately addressed. In short, don't hide the embarrassing issues, use public discussion to try to find remedies.
You now have my answer to your question. Would you like to answer mine?
Sep 21, 2016
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#66
Coach_Leo wrote:
You now have my answer to your question. Would you like to answer mine?
What was your question?
Sep 21, 2016
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#67
ReddyJ wrote:
my opinion: ive seen people post forums called "how long is your thing?" and the comments made references to very inappropiate content(it wasnt showed,but referenced) despite the fact the poster was talking about tactics trainer, so in my opinion, dont let the kids get online to forums, because the right people can make the right kids wrong.
lol, seriously? That was such a thinly veiled post it was impossible to think it was actually about tactics trainer. The innuendo in the comments continued the chess theme and was comedic. Nothing was explicit or lurid. Also, staff deleted the topic within a few hours.
But even though kids probably hear (much) worse in the lunchroom at school, I agree, parents should be cautious.
Sep 21, 2016
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#68
we can sit here and argue what is appropriate, what can be blocked, what is correct age for children to read certain comments etc etc, with each question opening lines of exponentially more questions...but at the end of the day, its each individual child's parents that gets to make the decision. The OP as a coach/teacher was asking about signing up their young students for chess.com. I dont see how that can even be considered....
Sep 21, 2016
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#69
Coach_Leo wrote
I don't think the cheating discussions should be hidden either (they are not exaggerated concerns -- they are legitamate). Secluding those discussions in a special forum, and constantly telling members to go there doesn't exactly instill confidence that that issue is being adequately addressed. In short, don't hide the embarrassing issues, use public discussion to try to find remedies.
You now have my answer to your question. Would you like to answer mine?
You should consider what some negative aspects of very public cheat detection information would be.
Sep 21, 2016
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#70
Coach_Leo wrote:
I don't think the cheating discussions should be hidden either (they are not exaggerated concerns -- they are legitamate). Secluding those discussions in a special forum, and constantly telling members to go there doesn't exactly instill confidence that that issue is being adequately addressed. In short, don't hide the embarrassing issues, use public discussion to try to find remedies.
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It is counter-productive to have those discussions in the general forums and would have a lot of unfounded accusations. Overall, that doesn't foster good community . The process is to report and if you want to discuss hows and whys, join the group.
it is a parents job of both protecting a kid from harmful influences and allowing them the freedom of inter-reacting to a wider world.
I don't think this website is dangerous compared to many other websites that parents commonly allow their kids to participate in (facebook,etc) and I DO think it is critically important that a parent warns their kids about adults who might manipulate their kid for whatever reason.
in fact, I would go so far as to say that a parent that doesn't teach their kids to be very wary about strangers IMHO is being negligent. and that a kids distrust of a strangers is one of the best defenses a kid has.
bbeltkyle89 wrote:
we can sit here and argue what is appropriate, what can be blocked, what is correct age for children to read certain comments etc etc, with each question opening lines of exponentially more questions...but at the end of the day, its each individual child's parents that gets to make the decision. The OP as a coach/teacher was asking about signing up their young students for chess.com. I dont see how that can even be considered....
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thegreat_patzer wrote:
bbeltkyle89 wrote:
we can sit here and argue what is appropriate, what can be blocked, what is correct age for children to read certain comments etc etc, with each question opening lines of exponentially more questions...but at the end of the day, its each individual child's parents that gets to make the decision. The OP as a coach/teacher was asking about signing up their young students for chess.com. I dont see how that can even be considered....
+1
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Sep 21, 2016
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#74
I think this is why he's asking, because he's not their parent.
Sep 21, 2016
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#76
nimzomalaysian wrote:
Coach_Leo wrote:
You now have my answer to your question. Would you like to answer mine?
What was your question?
My question was given in post 78, but here it is again, slightly modified to make it sound a little more polite:
If this thread is bad publicity, do you think it's because the safety concerns are exaggerated, or because they are legitimate (but should be sequestered to a special forum), or because of some other reason?
Sep 21, 2016
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#77
Coach_Leo wrote:
nimzomalaysian wrote:
Coach_Leo wrote:
You now have my answer to your question. Would you like to answer mine?
What was your question?
My question was given in post 78, but here it is again, slightly modified to make it sound a little more polite:
If this thread is bad publicity, do you think it's because the safety concerns are exaggerated, or because they are legitimate (but should be sequestered to a special forum), or because of some other reason?
It's because the safety corncerns are exaggerated.
Check #81 for further reference.
Sep 21, 2016
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#78
0110001101101000 wrote:
Coach_Leo wrote
I don't think the cheating discussions should be hidden either (they are not exaggerated concerns -- they are legitamate). Secluding those discussions in a special forum, and constantly telling members to go there doesn't exactly instill confidence that that issue is being adequately addressed. In short, don't hide the embarrassing issues, use public discussion to try to find remedies.
You now have my answer to your question. Would you like to answer mine?
You should consider what some negative aspects of very public cheat detection information would be.
But it's okay for that same sensitive information to be revealed in the cheating forum? (which any member can join). Having that special forum doesn't prevent access to the details of the cheating detection methods mentioned there. On the contrary, it might make it easier to find details because they are conveniently concentrated in one place. I don't see the benefit other than creating a false sense of security for naive people who think the problem has been "contained".
Sep 21, 2016
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#79
Coach_Leo wrote:
0110001101101000 wrote:
Coach_Leo wrote
I don't think the cheating discussions should be hidden either (they are not exaggerated concerns -- they are legitamate). Secluding those discussions in a special forum, and constantly telling members to go there doesn't exactly instill confidence that that issue is being adequately addressed. In short, don't hide the embarrassing issues, use public discussion to try to find remedies.
You now have my answer to your question. Would you like to answer mine?
You should consider what some negative aspects of very public cheat detection information would be.
But it's okay for that same sensitive information to be revealed in the cheating forum? (which any member can join). Having that special forum doesn't prevent access to the details of the cheating detection methods mentioned there. On the contrary, it might make it easier to find details because they are conveniently concentrated in one place. I don't see the benefit other than creating a false sense of security for naive people who think the problem has been "contained".
+1
Sep 21, 2016
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#80
Coach_Leo wrote:
0110001101101000 wrote:
Coach_Leo wrote
I don't think the cheating discussions should be hidden either (they are not exaggerated concerns -- they are legitamate). Secluding those discussions in a special forum, and constantly telling members to go there doesn't exactly instill confidence that that issue is being adequately addressed. In short, don't hide the embarrassing issues, use public discussion to try to find remedies.
You now have my answer to your question. Would you like to answer mine?
You should consider what some negative aspects of very public cheat detection information would be.
But it's okay for that same sensitive information to be revealed in the cheating forum? (which any member can join). Having that special forum doesn't prevent access to the details of the cheating detection methods mentioned there. On the contrary, it might make it easier to find details because they are conveniently concentrated in one place. I don't see the benefit other than creating a false sense of security for naive people who think the problem has been "contained".
I haven't been a member for years, but I'm guessing they haven't changed the fact that specifics about how chess.com does what they do are never mentioned. Earlier you made it sound like it was a collaborative effort to come up with methods. When I was there it was mostly people doing independent investigations with the top 3 matchup method then sending reports to staff.
Sure it could be a sticky topic on the main forums, but then a lot of immature posters would run into it and troll it. You'd have to closely monitor it... i.e. effectively no different from what it is now.
Because allowing threads about cheating would be promoting it. Not the moral compass that Eric had in mind. One parent asking another parent about advice on how to raise kids is something everyone should pay attention to. Parents have been known to give their lives for their children's safety. You don't see a lot of people dying because they want to cheat at games.
But still, when an outsider reads comments like "This place isn't even safe for adults.", he'll think twice about registering here. It'll also make Chess.com look like a site filled with scammers and pedophiles which is totally incorect.
That's why the mods need to take action straight away.