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My issue with the 'black lives matter' movement.
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Jun 6, 2020
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@sister2five I disagree. BLM is a social justice movement and will cease to exist when law enforcement stops killing people of color. Eric is following the lead of other corporate leaders and I hope he continues to do so.
Jun 7, 2020
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I really hope Chess.com continues to be a place to play chess and relax. There are plenty of other websites where you can be angry about politics.
The idea behind the message "Black Lives Matter" is more of that people are born equal, and that violence against against African Americans should stop. This is the message people think of when they use that slogan.
sister2five wrote:
Dear Eric, On the chess.com Facebook page you posted a link to a short article you wrote titled 'Black Lives Matter As you know 'Black Lives Matter' is a very politically sensitive term. It refers to a Democratic group (closely linked with ANTIFA) that openly supports and defends the violent riots that consist of; distruction of public and private property, thievery, looting and the mindless murder of police officers and citizens. What more, I find it baffling that you would ask for donations to potentially bail the rioters, many of whom have been arrested for, distribution of dangerous explosives, suspected murderer. I stand by the "no political discussion" rule, please stand by it as well.
Just as @Daniel2340 & @Confused-psyduck pointed out, there's nothing criminal or violent about BlackLivesMatter. Police brutality is real and racism is real. Standing against these injustices is not a political agenda, it's a move we should all be playing.
Amongst protesters, there will always be individuals who turn to violence. That's just violence, don't blame it on the movement. There are always people looking to incite violence, but not even they can stop a just cause.
Note: protests and war are two very different things.
CarlsensMagnets wrote:
Daniel2340 wrote:
@sister2five I disagree. BLM is a social justice movement and will cease to exist when law enforcement stops killing people of color. Eric is following the lead of other corporate leaders and I hope he continues to do so.
So if the leaders supported an illegal invasion of yet another country, you would think that was okay too? Talk about letting your mom and pa determine what's right and what's wrong for you. And just saying stop killing black people is generalizing it way too much, what do you mean? Be more specific. Do you want murders to go free just because they are black? Do you want cops to get themselves killed because they don't want to pull the trigger? And what evidence do you have that show cops systematically killing all these black people?
Law enforcers are there to enforce the law. They arrest suspects, not kill them or brutalize them. It's a dangerous job, and they signed up for it. Arrests is the keyword.
Some people want to argue idealism, and say it's unrealistic, but that's what officers do, they put their lives on the line to uphold an idea of a safe community, a safe world. If we must belittle ideals then we might as well scrap the entire law system and go back to mob attacks and vigilantism. Militants might as well shoot first and ask questions later rather than taking risks with surrenders and so forth.
Hey, forgotten legend can speak english!
@CarlsensMagnets "And yes, police brutality and even racism are real among the police force, but it's very rare, so why aren't you excusing that behavior as you do with BLM members?"
I didn't excuse any violent behavior. And it turns out it's not so rare in the police force, the statistics are telling.
And I'd prefer if you quoted my entire post to preserve context, or we might as well make a guessing game of it all.
Jun 7, 2020
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sister2five wrote:
Dear Eric, On the chess.com Facebook page you posted a link to a short article you wrote titled 'Black Lives Matter As you know 'Black Lives Matter' is a very politically sensitive term. It refers to a Democratic group (closely linked with ANTIFA) that openly supports and defends the violent riots that consist of; distruction of public and private property, thievery, looting and the mindless murder of police officers and citizens. What more, I find it baffling that you would ask for donations to potentially bail the rioters, many of whom have been arrested for, distribution of dangerous explosives, suspected murderer. I stand by the "no political discussion" rule, please stand by it as well.
YOU ARE WRONG! Black Lives Matter is a group that has executed peaceful protests about America's corrupt White supremacy (and I am White saying this). The first amendment gives people every right to peacefully protest.
THEY ARE NOT ANTIFA!
At night during these protests, White supremacy groups have interfered and have impersonated themselves as ANTIFA and then proceed to try to blame ANTIFA as a tactic to throw shame on the Black race and then proceed to illegally push protesters away before curfew for a photo OP using the bible as a prop.
This is all a rigged setup by the far right to try to beat Biden by playing the shame game against people of color, and now he has white cops attacking black people in Atlanta, Louisville, Buffalo, Charlotte, and Washington DC as well!
You want a no political discussion, do not try to smear the minority race or the democratic party and maybe, just maybe, you will not hear from us here on the forums.
You do not get to backstab America with your far right comments and then think you can shut the door! Does not work that way!
Jun 7, 2020
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CarlsensMagnets wrote:
Felis_Domesticus wrote:
In before the lock.
Are you going to report me again? Is that how you deal with reality?
There’s nothing to report because you haven’t done anything wrong, on the other incident, you disguised a auto join link as a plain text link.
CHESS RULES !!! Anyone anywhere can play & there is virtually no prejudice as to politics, colour, shape, size, sex, origin, or anything else on this little molecular ball of we call Earth. Or anywhere else for that matter. Ever get the feeling you are being watched? For what you do & what you say is what you are. The right to fight injustices has been going on for as long as humanity. If only all our differences could be settled over games of chess, CHESS RULES !!!
Why are we even discussing this? Is chess.com a platform for such arguments?
CarlsensMagnets wrote:
@WSama What statistics? Show them. Just because a cop opens fire on a black man doesn't mean the cop is violent or a racist. You have to be more specific of what it is you are referring to
"I didn't excuse any violent behavior."
You did, you said that there are always people that have the potential to be violent in a protest, and then concluded that BLM is a peaceful organization despite them indirectly and directly promoting hate towards cops; connecting dots that aren't backed up with evidence.
The reason I didn't quote everything was that I don't want an essay of words clogging up the thread. The context is still there because I was confused about what it is you mean with your text.
For statistics, you'll have to pull up the cases in question and study them yourself. Statistics, in this case, are a bit of a complicated matter because if nobody was charged then the stats are deemed questionable, technically speaking. Same applies if nobody was indicted. That's just the stat business.
Take a look at the blog linked in @erik's blog:
https://www.thechessdrum.net/blog/2020/06/02/george-floyd-and-the-right-to-thrive/
I'd like to especially draw your attention to the video of the woman with her dog in the park. Would you yourself label that racism, and if you answered yes, do you think such an incident would count as a statistic? Probably would, but not a very direct one.
As for supposed terrorist links to BLM - BLM is a movement, a world wide movement at this point. A lot of organizations can associate themselves with movements, it can't be helped. Even white supremacist can associate themselves with BLM for the heck of it.
Jun 7, 2020
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My Dear syster25. Your description of the Black Lives Movement is riddled with errors from top to bottom. It seems that you r main sources of information are Fox News and some right-wing message boards. I'm sure that you are sincere in your wildly inaccurate beliefs, but you would do yourself and the world a great service if you got outside of the far right propaganda bubble you are living in and learned a bit about how the real world works. "Antifa" is 90% a mythical boogie man, created by right wing stooges to scare you out of your votes and your money Best of luck
Jun 7, 2020
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CarlsensMagnets wrote:
@ThrillerFan What are you talking about? Where's your evidence that backs up these wild conspiracy theories. I've seen far too many clips of Antifa and BLM supporters attack people to have any doubt that they can't turn violent towards anyone that disagrees with them.
The evidence starts at the top. Trump tweeted a very racist comment that was also made by a racist in the 60s or early 70s. He hired military to attack protesters (which is also illegal) to get a photo OP. He has supported the KKK in Charlottesville in 2017, a racist White Supremacy organization. He has made racist threats verbally about military attacking protestors (again, illegal).
He is a complete racist that will rig anything to make the white guy sound great and wrongfully smear any organization that features or is exclusively colored people. In this case, features as many caucasians are supporting the BLM movement.
The whole reason that Trump has done nothing for either crisis is purely political. He wants to make the Govenors look bad when COVID-19 spreads, and wants to smear colored people by attacking them (typical dictator move), to try to convince basically all of white America that he should be king.
To him, Black lives don't matter, especially when he proceeds to use George Floyd as a prop calling from above. George Floyd is not a prop. He was an American with the same rights as you. He got killed over trying to use a counterfeit $20 bill, and there is no proof that he even knew it was counterfeit. He may have paid for something at a store with a 50 or 100 dollar bill and got a counterfeit 20 as part of his change that was snuck into the cash register that another customer used and the employee did not notice!
So yes, it is right wingers falsely bringing up ANTIFA to get agent orange elected in 2020.
Dear Eric, On the chess.com Facebook page you posted a link to a short article you wrote titled 'Black Lives Matter As you know 'Black Lives Matter' is a very politically sensitive term. It refers to a Democratic group (closely linked with ANTIFA) that openly supports and defends the violent riots that consist of; distruction of public and private property, thievery, looting and the mindless murder of police officers and citizens. What more, I find it baffling that you would ask for donations to potentially bail the rioters, many of whom have been arrested for, distribution of dangerous explosives, suspected murderer. I stand by the "no political discussion" rule, please stand by it as well.