Why Do People Miss Other People That Were Closed Because Of Abuse??

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AiryWigglyTown
karmester wrote:

People on chess.com seem to assume that the abusive/cheating member must be innocent. Sadly, abusers and cheaters seem to be the most popular members here in the forums, the majority of the kids will defend the abuser/cheater.

Oh that's sad

anandichatterjee

Hey

anandichatterjee

Are you talking about CM Chessadepti? Just asking

AiryWigglyTown
anandichatterjee wrote:

Are you talking about CM Chessadepti? Just asking

Nah a lot of people miss people that are banned because of abuse

Cruxter
AiryWigglyTown wrote:
anandichatterjee wrote:

Are you talking about CM Chessadepti? Just asking

Nah a lot of people miss people that are banned because of abuse

But they come back with different accounts mostly and don't tell anyone

Cruxter

who was red before?

anandichatterjee
AiryWigglyTown wrote:
anandichatterjee wrote:

Are you talking about CM Chessadepti? Just asking

Nah a lot of people miss people that are banned because of abuse

Oh ok, thanks there Earthling

KMRc4e6

Good question. I have no idea why 'Abusers' are missed!

What gets me is so many members do not understand the 'Abuse' reason for an account being closed. It has nothing to do with fair play/cheating/being a good 'Sport' it has to do with enough members reporting (with facts Chess.com can investigate and read for themselves!) Abusive behaviour. Bullying, intimidation, insults, etc. If an account is closed specifically for 'Abuse' there is evidence the closed account holder was a nasty person to some other members! Good riddance.

Abuse = proven (documented) being nasty to other members.

https://support.chess.com/article/313-im-experiencing-harrassment-or-other-abuse-in-my-club-what-can-i-do

 

 

 

FoxWithNekoEars
Uživatel AiryWigglyTown napsal:

So guys.

I have been wondering why do some people that get closed because of abuse always get missed by people? They are abusers...right? 

I'm just asking you guys, can't understand it on my own.

There can be many reasons for it...
1) When you see somebody who is rude and bother others it doesn't mean that he is like that 24 hours in day and that he is rude to everybody... even that people usually have some friends

2) there is no clear border what is abusing and what already not... its individual for everybody... what somebody takes like abuse somebody else can take like a joke

3) Tos is not a questionnaire according to which people make friends.
Neither i do that, I'm not saying Tos is bad somehow, but i have other value list

4) even cc can make mistake i dont think that it happens somehow often but nobody is flawless...

AunTheKnight
KMRc4e6 wrote:

Good question. I have no idea why 'Abusers' are missed!

What gets me is so many members do not understand the 'Abuse' reason for an account being closed. It has nothing to do with fair play/cheating/being a good 'Sport' it has to do with enough members reporting (with facts Chess.com can investigate and read for themselves!) Abusive behaviour. Bullying, intimidation, insults, etc. If an account is closed specifically for 'Abuse' there is evidence the closed account holder was a nasty person to some other members! Good riddance.

Abuse = proven (documented) being nasty to other members.

https://support.chess.com/article/313-im-experiencing-harrassment-or-other-abuse-in-my-club-what-can-i-do

 

 

 

You can also be banned for abuse by having multiple accounts.

josephyossi
AiryWigglyTown wrote:

So guys.

I have been wondering why do some people that get closed because of abuse always get missed by people? They are abusers...right? 

I'm just asking you guys, can't understand it on my own.

contact me via dm ill tell u

CrusaderKing1

Because abuse could be a wide range of things, the only thing that really bothers me is fair play cheating violations. It's ridiculous to play someone who is cheating, but someone who lounges insults can easily be blocked and it's almost humorous when you are winning and they can only insult.

But cheating is repugnant. I had the nicest guy saying "good game, you played really well", bla bla bla, but he was cheating and ended up getting banned from it. He was hands down the most annoying of anyone, including people who insult. 

 

AiryWigglyTown
CrusaderKing1 wrote:

Because abuse could be a wide range of things, the only thing that really bothers me is fair play cheating violations. It's ridiculous to play someone who is cheating, but someone who lounges insults can easily be blocked and it's almost humorous when you are winning and they can only insult.

But cheating is repugnant. I had the nicest guy saying "good game, you played really well", bla bla bla, but he was cheating and ended up getting banned from it. He was hands down the most annoying of anyone, including people who insult. 

 

Ah I see. Thanks

KMRc4e6

There are 3 categories on Chess.com that lead to accounts being closed.

'Abuse' (being a bully/intimidating/insulting etc.) to another member (usually many!)

'Sportsmanship'

'Fair-play and Cheating'

Seems.. everyone gets the last two -- but are confused by the first! If some one has an account closed for 'Abuse' it is because they were 'Abusive to other members' -- not cheating, not not playing-fair' (which includes having more than one account), or being 'unsporting' in their game play. To have account closed for 'Abuse' you need have never played one game of Chess on Chess.com!

Don't take my word for it -- take Chess.com words.. (on the left-hand side are the 3 reasons one might lose the privileges of being a Chess.com member. (Abuse is one.)

https://support.chess.com/category/139-abuse

To be 100% clear -- multiple accounts = cheating (not 'Abuse'). From Chess.com:

Can I have multiple accounts?
No, not only do we not allow the use of multiple accounts; we also consider it a form of cheating.

https://support.chess.com/article/596-can-i-have-multiple-accounts

 

 

 

Anonymous_Dragon
CrusaderKing1 wrote:

Because abuse could be a wide range of things, the only thing that really bothers me is fair play cheating violations. It's ridiculous to play someone who is cheating, but someone who lounges insults can easily be blocked and it's almost humorous when you are winning and they can only insult.

But cheating is repugnant. I had the nicest guy saying "good game, you played really well", bla bla bla, but he was cheating and ended up getting banned from it. He was hands down the most annoying of anyone, including people who insult. 

 

Cheating doesn't come under abuse

OR2005

It's literally impossible to get closed for abuse as a member made many accounts and pm'd me multiple death threats. Chess.com only muted the accounts and didn't ban them despite the person being banned for abuse before that

CrusaderKing1
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
CrusaderKing1 wrote:

Because abuse could be a wide range of things, the only thing that really bothers me is fair play cheating violations. It's ridiculous to play someone who is cheating, but someone who lounges insults can easily be blocked and it's almost humorous when you are winning and they can only insult.

But cheating is repugnant. I had the nicest guy saying "good game, you played really well", bla bla bla, but he was cheating and ended up getting banned from it. He was hands down the most annoying of anyone, including people who insult. 

 

Cheating doesn't come under abuse

I know that. That's why I separated abuse from cheating in said paragraphs. 

KMRc4e6
OR2005 wrote:

It's literally impossible to get closed for abuse as a member made many accounts and pm'd me multiple death threats. Chess.com only muted the accounts and didn't ban them despite the person being banned for abuse before that

Sad to say... there are people out there abusive enough to have Chess.com take action! I knew one-- account closed! Abuse! (So many -- rightfully too! do not understand how her account could be closed! She was such a good leader! Such a good person! She was too! But.... she was also very 'nasty' -- obviously enough people complained (I never did, coward) and her account was closed. I do not -- as this Forum Topic title asks -- miss the person with a closed account for Abuse! (No one should miss an account holder removed for 'Abuse' -- as mentioned -- it takes a LOT to get closed for that!)

FoxWithNekoEars
Uživatel KMRc4e6 napsal:
OR2005 wrote:

It's literally impossible to get closed for abuse as a member made many accounts and pm'd me multiple death threats. Chess.com only muted the accounts and didn't ban them despite the person being banned for abuse before that

Sad to say... there are people out there abusive enough to have Chess.com take action! I knew one-- account closed! Abuse! (So many -- rightfully too! do not understand how her account could be closed! She was such a good leader! Such a good person! She was too! But.... she was also very 'nasty' -- obviously enough people complained (I never did, coward) and her account was closed. I do not -- as this Forum Topic title asks -- miss the person with a closed account for Abuse! (No one should miss an account holder removed for 'Abuse' -- as mentioned -- it takes a LOT to get closed for that!)

i don't agree with the last sentence... Why people should not miss them if they are their friends? That some "authority" said me that my friend do something bad is no reason why i should stop being friend with him/her... They don't say you why, they don't give you a single prove... judging others based on the opinions of some other people, who dont even bother say to you why they think so is not right. 

Anonymous_Dragon
CrusaderKing1 wrote:
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
CrusaderKing1 wrote:

Because abuse could be a wide range of things, the only thing that really bothers me is fair play cheating violations. It's ridiculous to play someone who is cheating, but someone who lounges insults can easily be blocked and it's almost humorous when you are winning and they can only insult.

But cheating is repugnant. I had the nicest guy saying "good game, you played really well", bla bla bla, but he was cheating and ended up getting banned from it. He was hands down the most annoying of anyone, including people who insult. 

 

Cheating doesn't come under abuse

I know that. That's why I separated abuse from cheating in said paragraphs. 

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