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Ronbo710
Shulerstack wrote:

Hi. Ronbo710, you seem to be the expert on this subject. I wanna ask you, so what is finally a oroginal design of Kasparo-Karpov 1990 Lyon set? The one on these pictures?

Yes that is the one. Congrats on your find. I have been searching for that set forever. Undecided

Ronbo710
Shulerstack wrote:
Oh! And the vintage pre 80s one that I bought from England! Chavet is mystery for sure and very little info

The set I recently bought is from the early 90's I believe. The only thing different from the pics above are the King and Queen. It almost looks like a transitional set with the sphere on top of the Queen and the fatter cross on the King. Both do nothing for me. I like the thinner cross King and flatter top Queen.

Ronbo710
Shulerstack wrote:

Knights are different too

The eye placement mainly. The both have longer noses than the current #6 set. The #6 set I have doesn't have eyes lol. OR mane lines down their backs. They look unfinished.

foreverwin

@Ronbo710 and @Shulerstack

The photos you upload (@Shulerstack) are from a friend in Quito, Ecuador, he says he bought them from a shop that imported chess set from Italy, specifically a store called "Dal Negro" in the 80's.

foreverwin

I have a project with my friend to remake these pieces, we will see how we are left.

Ronbo710
Shulerstack wrote:
Another photo with a good view on the pieces

Yes it is. I don't understand it. I have spoken to three makers about a re-issue of these pieces over the last year and they all say "there is no market". You have two  former World Champions and a VERY nice chess set. No Market ... really?

cgrau
Shulerstack wrote:
It would not be easy. To duplicate exactly one most likely need to have an original for design proportions and sizes

We worked with NOJ to reproduce the Tal '61 USSR Championship set from a handful of pictures. You basically need pictures that enable you to make front, side, and in the case of knights, rear elevations. Proportions are not so hard to determine as even as simple a tool as Microsoft Paint allows you to calculate proportions from a pixel coordinate grid. It's a lot of work, going from drawing to blank to adjustment again and again and again, but it can, and has, been done.

finalsaga
rcmacmillan wrote:
Ronbo710 wrote:
Shulerstack wrote:
Another photo with a good view on the pieces

Yes it is. I don't understand it. I have spoken to three makers about a re-issue of these pieces over the last year and they all say "there is no market". You have two  former World Champions and a VERY nice chess set. No Market ... really?

@Ronbo710, I suspect  that most manufacturers would look at this set and view it as a low to mid-price set, not the $300+ set that the last FIDE set cost at point of purchase. I understand that one is currently sold out, so perhaps another set is in the works.

The French chess sets have always been quite inexpensive compared to others, since most of them did not use ebony or other rare woods for the black pieces, and the forms were quite simple. Given that the market is inundated with inexpensive sets from the far east, and that the current market, profit-wise, is driven by both cheap plastic and artistic wooden sets, another middle of the road set would not necessarily motivate manufacturers to produce one. Did you try Chessbazaar?

I happen to love the looks of the classic Chavets. I need one for my collection, if I can ever find one that's 4". I find I prefer 4"  to 4.4" sets for over the board play.

 

I would love a classic Chavet, too! If NOJ could reproduce one, my wallet is ready happy.png 

I like French chess sets. The knights look really cool especially the snout and the pointy ears.

Ronbo710
cgrau wrote:
Shulerstack wrote:
It would not be easy. To duplicate exactly one most likely need to have an original for design proportions and sizes

We worked with NOJ to reproduce the Tal '61 USSR Championship set from a handful of pictures. You basically need pictures that enable you to make front, side, and in the case of knights, rear elevations. Proportions are not so hard to determine as even as simple a tool as Microsoft Paint allows you to calculate proportions from a pixel coordinate grid. It's a lot of work, going from drawing to blank to adjustment again and again and again, but it can, and has, been done.

Do you think Chavet could pursue legal action seeing as how it differs from their latest designs? As long as their name was not used I think that shape would be public domain now. Also the knights would have to be spot on for me. No stubby nosed critters like in the DGT line up.

Ronbo710

Here's a GREAT bunch of games showing the Chavet set from the Intel Grand Prix Laughing ...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eakYpQThznc&t=604s

cgrau
Ronbo710 wrote:
Do you think Chavet could pursue legal action seeing as how it differs from their latest designs? As long as their name was not used I think that shape would be public domain now. Also the knights would have to be spot on for me. No stubby nosed critters like in the DGT line up.

I have no idea what Chavet might do. IP is not my field, and certainly not EU IP law. Moreover, I don't offer legal opinions or advice here. That said, I wouldn't market a Chavet reproduction without speaking with someone who practices in this field. Nor would I rely on assertions that the design "is in the public domain," or that use of the brand name is determinative, made here by people, with all due respect, perhaps not qualified to judge. 

ElCanarion

Yeah legal advice  advice should be left for specialists indeed. However i can imagine a chessbazaar making a Chavet replica and actually selling it ... and good luck with trying to sue them. That would look pretty cool in Ebony if you ask me.

alexmares50

great find.

Ronbo710
alexmares50 wrote:

great find.

Thank You Sir Laughing. I am still hunting for the other set like Frank's as well. 

bananamoon
Shulerstack wrote:

This is Karpov, giving simul in 2014!! Look at the chess pieces. Looks like "Grail" to me??!!

 

Are these Chavet nr 5 sets? 

Just ordered (again) a weighted and felted Chavet nr. 5 set at: http://www.variantes.com/pieces-jeu-echecs-classiques/1756-pieces-d-echecs-chavet-plombees-feutrees-n5-01215.html 

and a similar board at: https://www.schachversand.de/startneue2.htm 

All for less then 100€ (shipping included)

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I'll post some pictures next WE.

ElCanarion

Look who just found a new home!

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ElCanarion

Ebay happy.png , Just came home and was the real thing.

ElCanarion

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Ronbo710
ElCanarion wrote:
 

Very Nice Laughing. The Queen looks to be the flatter top design but the King has the wider cross. I'm expecting a modern number 6 any day now with felt/weights (tetes fines). 

Ronbo710

I took a few pics of the knights from this vintage Chavet set. I can't get enough of the angles on the vintage Chavet knights Laughing. I was gong to see if Andy can make me another set of these. One has a hairline crack in the back.