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caymaknight

ChessMaster versus Fritz

i) Do both address the beginner?

ii) If "No" to i) above what ratings would generally be considered entry points?

iii) Which is the best for the beginner, intermediate, expert?

Thanking you in advance for comments!

TinLogician

I would say ChessMaster is best for the beginner.  It has lots of training on subject matter geared toward beginners.  Fritz is more of a chess engine for the serious tournament player.  That being said, you will certainly get a lot from ChessMaster and it is a very strong engine.  It's just not in the same league with Fritz.

That's my two cents...

wolf_master
Webhead wrote:

I would say ChessMaster is best for the beginner.  It has lots of training on subject matter geared toward beginners.  Fritz is more of a chess engine for the serious tournament player.  That being said, you will certainly get a lot from ChessMaster and it is a very strong engine.  It's just not in the same league with Fritz.

That's my two cents...


 yep.

wolf_master

i agree

wolf_master

do you?

Skwerly

Go with Chessmaster first.  It has MANY training videos and games to look at, which is exactly what a beginner/intermediate player needs! 

Once you get more adept to the game, Fritz steps in and makes you feel like an idiot again ;).

chessoholicalien

Skwerly is right

nikolinv

ChessMasteris better for playing, fritz for analysis.

DonaldLL

I agree with nikolinv

TeslasLightning
Skwerly wrote:Once you get more adept to the game, Fritz steps in and makes you feel like an idiot again ;).

Truer words have never been spoken!

SukerPuncher333

Forget Fritz, try Rybka

Chessmaster: good for learning, bad for analysis

Rybka: bad for learning, great for analysis

Fritz: not the best for learning (Chessmaster beats it), not the best for analysis (Rybka beats it)

Burbon

 I'd like to point out "Fritz" name is often mislead with a ChessBase GUI which can work with many chess engines. In fact ChessBase sells many proprietary engines now in this "package". Yet what is more important this GUI limits chess engines functionality in some ways. For instance native ChessBase engines (*.eng and *.engine files) are very well integrated with this GUI but they cannot be set to their lowest ELO strength there. On the other hand engines accessed via UCI interface can be set only by often low number of UCI options but they are not capable to work fine with many Chessbase GUI features like training modes.

So I suggest you to make comparisons between chess engines with their best GUI present on the market: Rybka+Aquarium GUI, Fritz+Chessbase GUI, Shredder+ Shredderchess GUI. It should help a lot!

 

Here you are my recent chess game played in the CB GUI using very weak native CB format Turing engine. Such level of ELO rating is impossible to set with any Fritz engine version. As you can see there is a lot of mess here...




This is my another chess game. I won with Delphi chess engine after very interesting positional play.

 


chipman12
pfennig wrote:
Webhead wrote:

I would say ChessMaster is best for the beginner.  It has lots of training on subject matter geared toward beginners.  Fritz is more of a chess engine for the serious tournament player.  That being said, you will certainly get a lot from ChessMaster and it is a very strong engine.  It's just not in the same league with Fritz.

That's my two cents...


 yep.


chipman12
Webhead wrote:

I would say ChessMaster is best for the beginner.  It has lots of training on subject matter geared toward beginners.  Fritz is more of a chess engine for the serious tournament player.  That being said, you will certainly get a lot from ChessMaster and it is a very strong engine.  It's just not in the same league with Fritz.

That's my two cents...


i agree

Bardu

I am a beginner, and I own both. I bought Fritz (10) first, and I really like it. The interface is awesome and its analysis is very helpful. But, it does not come with training materials and is not much fun to play against. So, I bought Chessmaster (Art of Learning, Grandmaster Edition) and it has alot of training materials and is also great as an opponent. I figure Fritz will help me more down the road.