Fritz Chess Grandmaster Challenge III? Engine?

iwingood

I saw this "Fritz Chess Grandmaster Challenge III"  on sale at best buy for $6.99 so I picked it up.  Has anyone heard of this software? or what engine it uses? I just saw fritz and the super low price and picked it up...

http://www.viva-media.com/product_info.php?products_id=132&osCsid=9c4dd2657f9720

 So along with that gm challenge, I picked up chessmaster art of learning for $17.99.  So my dilemma is: return fritz gm challenge, keep chessmaster, and purchase fritz 10 OR keep fritz gm challenge, keep chessmaster.

(btw i am 1630 USCF)


iwingood
no one knows...awesome
Alpha0
I have chessmaster.. its pretty tough, I cant beat the 1800 players yet but I've learned alot about the game and i can still use it to learn more, I'm sure all of those software titles are good though
RedDalek
I bought Fritz Chess Grandmaster Challenge (an older version of your software) a few years ago. The engine is Fritz 6. The Full Analysis feature makes it a keeper, IMHO. 
rednblack
I have a copy of fritz that I'm pretty pleased with.  Of course, I haven't figured out all the cool widgets that it has, as I don't have instructions, etc. but it has been helpful.  From your rating I'm going to guess that you're a stronger player than I, iwingood, but I would recommend using the sparring feature, as it plays more like a person and makes more human-like mistakes (note I did not say it makes human-like mistakes).
likesforests

Keep in mind that Chessmaster AoL's ELO is 2810. The Fritz 6 engine is a much weaker 2633, so you'll actually want to use Chessmaster as your analysis engine.


RedDalek
likesforests wrote:

Keep in mind that Chessmaster AoL's ELO is 2810. The Fritz 6 engine is a much weaker 2633, so you'll actually want to use Chessmaster as your analysis engine.


I wish I could play as well as the "much weaker 2633" Fritz 6 engine! Smile


likesforests

Me too!  :)


GMWilfredo
RedDalek wrote: likesforests wrote:

Keep in mind that Chessmaster AoL's ELO is 2810. The Fritz 6 engine is a much weaker 2633, so you'll actually want to use Chessmaster as your analysis engine.


I wish I could play as well as the "much weaker 2633" Fritz 6 engine!


 


GMWilfredo
About Grand Master Challenge III and II. I have Grand Master Challenge II it amazing. Come with Fritz 7. Only you need get the original serial key to activate the full function of Fritz. By defaults settings. You can play with Fritz 7 everytime. You can add any other UCI engine to Fritz GUI interface. Like Crafty or another chess UCI compatible with Fritz. I love to play agains Fritz. Fritz have a huge Opening and Database. Fritz can advice you everytime you make a blonder move. Fritz comming with the feature to play online on PlayChess.com. About ChessMaster is good. But I prefer Fritz. Fritz are stronger than ChessMaster. Look the most GM play agains Fritz you don't see any match with ChessMaster agains any GM. Kramink play agains Deep Fritz 10, Garry Kasparov play agains 3DFX Fritz Deep Fritz 7 so. Deep Fritz 11 have about 2880 of ELO. On Fritz you can have the option to view a chess video lesson. That is amazing Feature come inside Fritz. Enjoy Fritz :-)
likesforests

GMWilfredo> Fritz are stronger than ChessMaster.

Chessmaster: Art of Learning is stronger than Fritz 6 or Fritz 7. This has been confirmed by the independent chess rating site CCRL.

GMWilfredo> Kramink play agains Deep Fritz 10

He played a match against Deep Fritz 10 because he was paid to--not because it was the strongest engine in the world--Rybka was undisputably stronger even then. It's also worth noting that Kasparov expressed a preference for Hiarcs.

Fritz is an excellent product--just keeping things in perspective.  ;)
laxl
Fritz grandmaster challenge 3 has an excellent chess program, but it is not user-friendly at all.  Tons of icons which are not clearly explained; it is difficult to maneuver from 3D to 2D; hard to get computer to play as white instead of black; etc.  I've learned from the program, and appreciate the programming that went into the chess-part of it; I just wish that the features were better explained.  I am overall not too happy with the program.
crowrevell

laxl wrote: Fritz grandmaster challenge 3 has an excellent chess program, but it is not user-friendly at all.  Tons of icons which are not clearly explained; it is difficult to maneuver from 3D to 2D; hard to get computer to play as white instead of black; etc.  I've learned from the program, and appreciate the programming that went into the chess-part of it; I just wish that the features were better explained.  I am overall not too happy with the program.


 I just picked up a copy today.  feel a bit overwhelmed by the interface. There's so many different versions of chess (blitz, rated, tournament, friendly)  with several analytical options that work in some of the game formats but not others.

LDA22

I just picked up Frintz Grnadmaster challenge III and beyond a few basic functions, it's driving me nuts.  Can not access the data base, the "Help" section is designed for those who don't need it.  The FIlter tells me it can't find any games.  There is no product registry key anywhere.  There is a database in my computer under "My Documents" but the computer can't open it any better than i can.  It looks great, supposed to do everything but brush your teeth, but only about a third of it is there.

Anybody have any info on how to get this thing to work?

hentener

 CoolI pick up Fritz grandmaster challenge II several years ago for 5 dollars.Beat 5 dollars i ever spent it came with a good data base an fritz 7 engine but its chess gui to load uci chess engines was a big up grade as compared to fritz 7 which i also have.I  have loaded on it every rybka uci engine which are all free to download thru rybka 2.3 along with toga stockfish all the good free engines work well on it.By the way when i picked up a 5 dollar copy online of fritz 9 it transfered its database to gm challenge an when my sister for my birthday went online an bought a 40 dollar fritz 11 then old gm challenge data base auto upgraded to 1250000 games.Best 5 dollars i ever spent what engine in the fritz series comes with gm challange III is it fritz 9?The only reason to buy fritz 12 to me is to get a year of free online play with chess base as fitz 12 only 20 points stonger than fritz 11.Hey on old gm challange II i have several free uci engines stonger than fritz 12.However the year on line is very good easy worth half the cost of fritz 12.

chessoholicalien

I thought the latest version used Fritz 8, but I may be wrong

JG27Pyth
likesforests wrote:

Keep in mind that Chessmaster AoL's ELO is 2810. The Fritz 6 engine is a much weaker 2633, so you'll actually want to use Chessmaster as your analysis engine.


Is the latest chessmaster engine (as I recall the engine is called: TheKing) really that strong? For awhile they were down the list. At any rate, the fritz6 engine is a non-issue because it's very easy to download the free engine: "stockfish" (or crafty or toga II etc) and use it in the fritz gui as the main engine (you cannot do this with chessmaster, a huge reason alone to go with fritz).  Doing this does NOT take a degree in computer science. It's very easy. Stockfish is around 3000, maybe more, it's based on rybka.

I think there are a lot of other reasons you'd want to keep chessmaster though. I honestly don't think you'll regret hanging on to both programs. Each gui has it's own strengths and weaknesses. In general I think Chessmaster is more fun, Fritz more serious... but that's in general... there's a lot of small differences. (Also, If you like practicing with 3d pieces the Chessmaster's 3d is vastly better than Fritz's... Fritz 3d is a horror IMO. I think it's important to study 3d boards a bit if you want to compete at your best OTB.) 

JG27Pyth
LDA22 wrote:

I just picked up Frintz Grnadmaster challenge III and beyond a few basic functions, it's driving me nuts.  Can not access the data base, the "Help" section is designed for those who don't need it.  The FIlter tells me it can't find any games.  There is no product registry key anywhere.  There is a database in my computer under "My Documents" but the computer can't open it any better than i can.  It looks great, supposed to do everything but brush your teeth, but only about a third of it is there.

Anybody have any info on how to get this thing to work?


You're reminding why when I first got Fritz many years ago I swore an oath in blood that I would never go near another chessbase product as long as I lived.

Here's my advice: Use it for playing and training and quick analysis (with a downloaded engine)... grit your teeth and figure out how to do the things you want all the playing and analysis stuff will make sense eventually -- but the database interface sucks. (No accident! Chessbase's premier product is the chessbase database program -- they're not going to snuff out their own product by making Fritz its equal!) For database type work use the freely available ChessDB, or SCID. ChessDB + Fritz, and you can do what you need to do. Yes it would be very nice (and there is no technological reason whatsoever why it can't be done)  to have your playing gui and your database gui work seamlessly together -- but that's not how it is yet. Fritz + free engine + ChessDB is a very robust solution that costs around 10 dollars (for Fritz... you can go pure free with Arena, but I advise against that). Chessbase with the big base costs like $150 and I'm not convinced it's any better than SCID.

hentener

CoolJust picked it up at Target cost me 10 dollars but then i found a 5 dollars off coupon in the store  what luck.It looks like my fritz 9 interface an when i loaded it as usual with chess base products it picked up my fritz 11 database of 1250000 games so i cannot tell you what year the data base ends at.i think it has the fritz 8 database as i think it was at about750000 games.It auto picked up all my other engines i have loaded on fritz11--9--7--gm challengeII--so hard for me to tell you what the engine preload slection is.the only Fritz engine it will not pick up is my fritz 11 engine must be copyright protected.Now i have fritz 2 dos--fritz2.51dos--xtreme chess with fritz 3 an 4--fritz 7--fritz gm challengeII--Fritz gm challengeIII--fritz 9--fritz11--chess base light2007 demo--chessbsae light 2009 demo--fritz 6 demo--fritz5.32 as you see i love chess base products.I cannot tell you how many people i run into who a fitz 11 or 10 or gm challenge an do not know what a great platform it is to load all the very strong free uci chess engines out there on the web to download what a shame.

philidor_position
JG27Pyth wrote:
Stockfish is around 3000, maybe more, it's based on rybka.

How can a free engine be based on a commercial engine that was never open source? I guess you meant it's a rybka "clone".