Noj set arrived/review

Pawnerai

@Filip35   Thank you for sharing your knowledge of the Dubrovnik chess set history. A positive contribution to the forum. As with life, many people have accumulated interesting knowledge in certain areas but either do not have the patience to share or just don't care to share. 

MCH818

@Ifekali Excellent post... also very interesting. Thanks!

Filip35
MCH818 wrote:
Filip35 wrote:

Also, Zagreb chess set is term made up by Chess Bazzar (same as Minceta and Dubrovnik II by Noj). That chess set is influenced by Dubrovnik chess set but with different knight design. There was no tournament that was held in Zagreb that used that chess set.

Link: https://www.houseofstaunton.com/the-zagreb-59-series-chess-pieces-3-875-king.html

I always thought it was Frank who made it up. I bought the HoS 2.875 Zagreb set because I thought it was historic in some way. I did not realize it was made up until many months after I purchased the set. I still love the Zagreb design. There is something so beautiful about the knights.

Maybe, I don't know who made up that name. I just saw it on chess bazaar so I concluded that they made it up.

Filip35
ifekali wrote:
Filip35 wrote:
 

> The Dubrovnik chess set in the beginning were made for Šahovska naklada in Jakopović workshop

True. Not the original 1950 sets, though.

> but making a chess set takes a lot of time so it was not worth it for Jakopović.

Very true.

> Why make a chess set if you can get pretty much the same amount of money for table and chairs for a considerably less time spent.

Later, he made his living carving souvenirs. Was not a carpenter.

> Today, all Jakopovićs are dead. (Rest in peace)

His remaining son (born 1959) and daughter (1949) would strongly disagree. The family had a reunion in Trbovlje, Slovenia last year. His eldest, Branko (1947) is the only one sadly missed.

> There were a few prisoners that carved Dubrovnik chess sets.
> Because of that there are a variation between 70s and 80s Dubrovnik designs.
> The quality control was not very high. That is the reason why Bobby Fischer
> set is a little bit different (fat rook).

It is not, as Fischer's set was made by The Master. He bought it at Zagreb's Oktogon. Fat rooks are Jakopović's trademark, second thing to look at when appraising old Dubrovniks. First, the knights.

> Noj claims that they got rights form Šahovska naklada but that is false.
> Šahovska naklada never gave the a rights.

There was an arrangement with ŠN providing original Maurović sketches and first NOJ sets sold thru ŠN. The partnership soon dissolved. But the rights were never given as (I suspect) they were never had. As NOJ continued producing the sets, there was no legal action against it by ŠN.

> Only penitentiary in Lepoglava have a right for producing Dubrovnik chess set.

Verba volant, scripta manent. Where is the paper? Dubrovniks were also made by various small manufacturers (one in Slovenia) copying the design, not to mention Subozan from Subotica, Serbia. (GM Gligorić can be seen on YT with one of those).

> The terms Dubrovnik Minčeta and Dubrovnik II are made up by Noj.

True.

> Šahovska naklada is out of buissness

Very true. I hear the man was difficult to deal with.

-Izmet Fekali (bestchessmenever.com)

 

 

> His remaining son (born 1959) and daughter (1949) would strongly disagree. The family had a reunion in Trbovlje, Slovenia last year. His eldest, Branko (1947) is the only one sadly missed.

I didn't know that information but if I am not wrong his younger son was journalist (or something similar) and he worked in the Vjesnik. This is where he met the last director of Šahovska naklada.

>There was an arrangement with ŠN providing original Maurović sketches and first NOJ sets sold thru ŠN. The partnership soon dissolved. But the rights were never given as (I suspect) they were never had. As NOJ continued producing the sets, there was no legal action against it by ŠN.

The director of ŠN told me that he doesn't care. He might be a difficult man to deal with (as you have said) but he is a chess lover too and I am sure that he appreciate the craftsmanship of Gregor Novak. He is probably happy that Mr. Novak wanted to invest his time, money and ability to preserve production of Dubrovniks chess set. And speaking of preserving the chess set of Dubrovnik, I would like to thank you this way, Mr. Jonas. You are most responsible for the preservation of the history of the Dubrovnik chess set, and its popularization among the chess community. Thank you! 

 

>There was an arrangement with ŠN providing original Maurović sketches...

>Verba volant, scripta manent. Where is the paper? Dubrovniks were also made by various small manufacturers (one in Slovenia) copying the design, not to mention Subozan from Subotica, Serbia. (GM Gligorić can be seen on YT with one of those).

I’m not a lawyer, so I could be wrong. But as you said, ŠN has original Maurović's sketches. In my opinion, I think we can agree that whoever has the original sketches has the rights.

Everyone can copy the design, but only the one that has the rights / license is the original. I think that it is stupid to say that only Dubrovniks made by Jakopović are the original ones. He was only the carver. For example, if Rolex moves their production line in China. Their watches will still be considered as original but they will be produced in China instead of Switzerland. With that logic every Dubrovnik chess set bought from ŠN is the original one.

Filip35

I just want to add that now when ŠN is out of business anyone can legally produce and sell Dubrovnik chess sets (I am referring on 1960s redesign).

Eyechess

Thank you for adding what you know about this set design and the various sets made.

Jonas has been our expert on these sets for quite awhile.  We have read a lot from him on these sets.  He also has provided pictures of a number of these sets.

You have added details that help complete the picture.  Thank you.

 

TheOneCalledMichael

I like to know all about Dubrovnik history and you both give tremendous insights. Much appreciated!

MCH818

+3 for me what @Eyechess and @TheOneCalledMichael said.

MCH818
Analog_Player wrote:

 

Nice! Is that new or did you have that already?

TheOneCalledMichael

It looks the same beautiful horsies...what set is that?

Brynmr

That in one beautiful set! Wow. I'll go look up the price - just curious since a few have commented on it.

 

Ok, I gave up looking for the price.