" A real Jaques chess set for the royal dolls house "
Made by John Jaques. I have a picture of some of the spare pieces he made somewhere.
" A real Jaques chess set for the royal dolls house "
Made by John Jaques. I have a picture of some of the spare pieces he made somewhere.
@azbobcat: You seem to believe that the HoS Dubrovnik set is new. It's actually been out since several years. It's pretty good, and by far my favorite out of the three HoS sets I own (Reykjavik II, Zagreb and Dubrovnik), but I slightly prefer the ChessBazaar Dubrovnik set. Of course, neither of them comes close to the Noj Dubrovniks. By the way, I posted some photos and measurements comparing the three sets in this thread a couple of days ago:
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/which-dubrovnik-set-do-you-like-better-chessbazaar-or-house-of-staunton?page=8
However, it deserves to be said that most people in that thread don't seem to share my preference of the CB over the HoS Dubrovnik. In your case, since you stated your preference for heavy pieces, there's a good chance that you'll like the HoS set, which is ultra heavy (by Dubrovnik standards).
By the way, I don't understand why the Zagreb and Dubrovnik are discussed together in this thread. Other than the opposite colored bishop finials and being named after Croatian cities, I don't see what they have in common.
@azbobcat: You seem to believe that the HoS Dubrovnik set is new. It's actually been out since several years. It's pretty good, and by far my favorite out of the three HoS sets I own (Reykjavik II, Zagreb and Dubrovnik), but I slightly prefer the ChessBazaar Dubrovnik set. Of course, neither of them comes close to the Noj Dubrovniks. By the way, I posted some photos and measurements comparing the three sets in this thread a couple of days ago:
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/which-dubrovnik-set-do-you-like-better-chessbazaar-or-house-of-staunton?page=8
However, it deserves to be said that most people in that thread don't seem to share my preference of the CB over the HoS Dubrovnik. In your case, since you stated your preference for heavy pieces, there's a good chance that you'll like the HoS set, which is ultra heavy (by Dubrovnik standards).
By the way, I don't understand why the Zagreb and Dubrovnik are discussed together in this thread. Other than the opposite colored bishop finials and being named after Croatian cities, I don't see what they have in common.
Thanks for the info. I did not know HOS even *had* a Dubrovnik set, and only become aware of it as the result of the email I got from HOS, and thought it timely for this discussion. As to your point about what they have in common... the point I was trying to make is that they are both examples of the Eastern Staunton, in same same way as comparing a Jaques 1849 Staunton set is similar to some of the modern sets being produced -- they don't anything alike but they have characteristics which make them similar at least at a base level. Also THANK YOU. I bet you are one of the few people who has both the HOS Zagreb '59 set and the HOS Dubrovnik set your commentary is of value. My guess is that there are many people who are trying to decide between the Zagreb '59 and the Dubrovnik and you just swung the needle towards the Dubrovnik.
@azbobcat: You seem to believe that the HoS Dubrovnik set is new. It's actually been out since several years. It's pretty good, and by far my favorite out of the three HoS sets I own (Reykjavik II, Zagreb and Dubrovnik), but I slightly prefer the ChessBazaar Dubrovnik set. Of course, neither of them comes close to the Noj Dubrovniks. By the way, I posted some photos and measurements comparing the three sets in this thread a couple of days ago:
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/which-dubrovnik-set-do-you-like-better-chessbazaar-or-house-of-staunton?page=8
However, it deserves to be said that most people in that thread don't seem to share my preference of the CB over the HoS Dubrovnik. In your case, since you stated your preference for heavy pieces, there's a good chance that you'll like the HoS set, which is ultra heavy (by Dubrovnik standards).
By the way, I don't understand why the Zagreb and Dubrovnik are discussed together in this thread. Other than the opposite colored bishop finials and being named after Croatian cities, I don't see what they have in common.
Thank you for the link. I just bookmarked it for future reference. Again Thank you!!
This discussion has devolved completely. There are 2 insightful comments out of 10 and the rest is rubbish postings by sm and mudslinging at said member. Can we have this locked please? I used to come here for fun ffs.
Any other comments that are off the topic of this thread or in some way not close to the topic will be deleted. Start a Dubrovnik thread or a thread on import duties but not here.
THis is
From my perspective it's not all bad. I've learned a ton of interesting stuff here. Thank you! I picked what I needed and left the rest.
My knowledge of chess pieces; their manufacturers, their styles, their strengths, weaknesses and historical relevance, etc. has greatly increased and I keep this Post, along with a couple of others, as a 'follow'.
Me? I don't mind the diversions. The entire Post is a great trip.
Okay, wiscmike. Here is a real Jaques Millenium Reintroduction small club set I bought new in 2005. The board is made in Spain redwood and birds eye maple 2.25 " squares
This discussion has devolved completely. There are 2 insightful comments out of 10 and the rest is rubbish postings by sm and mudslinging at said member. Can we have this locked please? I used to come here for fun ffs.
After years away from chess.com came here to find chessspy1 As I wanted to get some repairs done to my Jaques chess sets As he had moved from the UK to the USA .
If anyone knows & understands Jaques or antique chess set its this man here who has helped give new life to these's battered chess sets .
Also who has a love & passion for them with a deep insight / which takes year's of research .
Chess set's of this kind where never cheap be it a 4.4 set or a 3.5 set , along with the iron that fell from the sky on London .
Yes & prices of theses real set have rocketed .
From my perspective it's not all bad. I've learned a ton of interesting stuff here. Thank you! I picked what I needed and left the rest.
My knowledge of chess pieces; their manufacturers, their styles, their strengths, weaknesses and historical relevance, etc. has greatly increased and I keep this Post, along with a couple of others, as a 'follow'.
Me? I don't mind the diversions. The entire Post is a great trip.
Agree!! I have learned a LOT that I did not know just by following this thread
I'm not saying I haven't learned a lot from this. But the gist of the topic was supposed to be Jacques originals and repros. I don't want to be reminded by chess.com that new entries have been made in this topic, only to go here and read 2 pages of, if not worthless, completely off-topic rants about import costs. This used to be a place where new set designs and indeed reproductions were put forward and commented on. I much preferred it the way it was. Then again, since Carl seems to have left the forum (as far as I can see) perhaps what is happening is only natural.
How old does a set have to be to be called “vintage?” In 2025 my Jaques Millennium Reintroduction set will be 20 years old. I find the craftsmanship pretty good, very similar (identical?) to my HOS sets of the early 2000’s. Still, the reintroductions are distinctly different from the pre WWII Jaques.
There are dozens of professional people who are very skillful at restoring chess sets. www.ivoryrepair.com is very good at repairing chess sets. Ron Fromkin who is based in Florida can restore chess sets of all types at very low price.
This is an obvious exaggeration of the truth.
The term, dozens, means at least 24 and most likely more.
I was aware of the fellow in Florida as well as the inimitable Allen Dewey. I'll give you a couple more here in the states,, and a few in Europe and even Eastern Europe and Asia, but I don't see the number getting close to 24, let alone more.
I have decided to recreate this thread as a new one. Which you can readily see and find on this forum.
The big difference of this new one to this one is that I can and will block trolls from posting in that thread, as I am the one starting it. Even if a new troll arises, I can block him from that thread.
Since it seems the annoyance is cleared up I took the privileged of unlocking this thread since it has so many interesting pictures. I hope the admin who locked this thread agrees with me, no need to keep it locked up anymore.
Since it seems the annoyance is cleared up I took the privileged of unlocking this thread since it has so many interesting pictures. I hope the admin who locked this thread agrees with me, no need to keep it locked up anymore.
Hi,
You have made well, it is good place for ideas and reviews, for Staunton original pieces without "running" all over the net...
Thank you to have reopen it.
Regards
Here are pics of the only known 3.5" Jaques with a Leuchars overstamp.
https://get.google.com/albumarchive/116152809472643080958/album/AF1QipMnd_xYDdoD_WQ9r6XA1ZIPyQKYPM49udMUjTGQ?authKey=CISPjOX9sN20tAE
There is a good deal of controversy about Jaques/Leuchars ivory sets but this set is quite clearly completely kosher and the only one of it's kind.
Why did Leuchars overstamp Jaques sets? Why did Jaques allow it, (if they even knew about this clear abuse of their trademark)?
There are several ivory sets known which are so marked but the knights seem to be of a different type and dealer interference was and is suspected. However, I am not so sure about this as I used to be
I would love to see pictures of your sets and know who they are made by... I'm planning to order a NOJ Dubrovnik 1950 set but if you can show us a set as good for less money that would be great.
Just about the time I thought it was safe to get back in the water.... We spent some time arguing the merits / demerits of the HOS Zagreb '59. I used some great Dubrovnik / Zagreb -like sets when I was stationed in West Germany in the early 1970's, some were so great you hated to part with them, others were a slight bit better than some of the cheapest plastics sets we use today. I've never used the HOS Zagreb '59 series set. Whatever I use today it needs to be heavily weighted and stable. Part of the reason I love -- dare I say it -- HOS PLASTIC Marshall set. Cheap when compared to a wood set yet capable of with standing a beating. The NOJ Dubrovnik set is nice, BUT... expensive especially since the prices are quoted in EUROS, and only comes with 2 queens though for a little more you can get 4. The other minor quibble is it is not technically regulation size coming in a a hair over 3.5 inches. For a little more $$ you can get the NOJ Dubrovnik II with a 4 inch king. Today I open my junk mail and found this notice from HOS for a genuine Dubrovnik set BUT a standard 3.75 inch king:
https://www.houseofstaunton.com/the-dubrovnik-series-chess-pieces-3-75-king.html?utm_source=HOS&utm_campaign=d3dde0075e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_04_05&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_95811ea3d7-d3dde0075e-237233217&mc_cid=d3dde0075e&mc_eid=e7a1b6548c
Are they going to be as good as NOJ sets?? I seriously think not!! Do I expect they will be better than many of the Dubrovnik / Zagreb -like sets available in wild today?? Far and away!! IF we use the HOS Zagreb '59 as a "Standard" then the NOJ Dubrovnik is the really High End, it is also in Europe, no outlets, etc.. If you want a "standard" size" set you need to buy the Dubrovnik II w/4.0" inch King. IF we assume that HOS has produced a faithful reproduction of a Dubrovnik set, then this set cuts the baby in half: Full regulation size 3.75" king which is taller that the Original Dubrovnik 1950 set of 3.5", the NOJ Dubrovnik II also 3.5" king, and smaller than the NOJ Dubrovnik II w/4.0", its has two additional in favor of it: You can get it starting at $200, and the availability should not be an issue. Now the BIG question is: How will it stack up to the "Standard" HOS Zagreb '59? Given that I've have never handled one I do not know. I do remember using some dream sets in Germany in the 1970's (Long before HOS or any of today's "Chess Boutiques" existed), and many of those were like HOS "Zagreb '59" sets ie they used the Dubrovnik as a starting point and created a more refined set, properly weighted, and eye appealing. In those days "historical accuracy" was not as big a thing as it is today. We have been debating the issue of today's "Reproductions" of Jaques' Original Staunton set with those produced by HOS, OS, CB, et al, while completely forgetting that even within Jaques' itself there never was a single design, rather that the design itself evolved over time. Hence you have the Anderson Design, the Marshall set, etc. etc., that is "famous" only because because there were the particular sets that were associated with some of the games most notable Master's. It is unfair to compare some of the BEAUTIFUL sets being produced today by companies such as HOS, OS, CB, et al companies that enforce Quality Control, to ensure that not only is it BEAUTIFUL, but designed to its intended purpose: a game of chess that can get to be a bit -- shall we say -- physical at times. Compared to some of today's sets some of Jaques' early sets are rather uninspiring. One of the major things I LIKE -- LOVE -- about the Eastern Staunton ie the "Dubrovnik" and it descendants of which there are many is the simple design. They can take a beating!!! The problem is there are way too many poor reproductions out there these include improper weighting, if weighted at all, bases too narrow, proportions out of whack, etc, etc, etc. Comparing the the Historic Dubrovnik 1950 set with say the "Zagreb '59 (and its copies) is like trying to compare Jaques Historic 1849 Staunton set to any of today's beautifully carved Staunton sets, sets that have under gone a lot of Quality control, or even to some of the truly futuristic sets such as the "Empire Series", which in its own right is quite beautiful. What is true is that both the "Dubrovnik" sets and its many reproductions including the NOJ Dubrovnik II, the NOJ, Dubrovnik II w/4.0", many of its 1970's copies and now HOS, and whoever many or may NOT be creating "reproductions" of this set and comparing them to HOS "Zagreb '59", and its copies is that both are Eastern Staunton style sets, and there are many, many Eastern Style sets produced in the 1970's and probably 1980's that probably -- actually did -- barrow design features both from classical Western Staunton pieces, as well from Eastern Soviet style sets. These sets were carefully weighted, had a more refined look, especially in the knights, and there was a balanced "feel" about the set. Like I said this is one set that once you have actually handled one, you *know* what a great set should feel like. Until the most recent discussion on the HOS Zagreb '59 here, I have heard very little about the set or know anyone who has ever owned one, few unbiased reviews. IF anyone actually buys this HOS "Dubrovnik" set (for practical purposes we'll call it the HOS Dubrovnik III ie a variant of the Dubrovnik 1950 set which is being promoted as exact reproduction of the 1950 set just like the NOJ Dubrovnik II w/4.0" king the chief difference is the size of the king 3.75" --vs -- 3.5" or 3.75" -- vs -- 4.0" ) but who either has or has used the Zagreb '59, {or any of its clones [is now the time to say "Send in the Clones"?. Yeah I know bad pun. ] )I'd like to hear how both sets compare, they also are priced very similarly. For me it is all about stability , about "the feel". Historical accuracy aside, it come down to the "feel". If one set is significantly top heavy that does me no good, if they are approximately the same, then it comes down splitting hairs: ie one is NOT an EXACT reproduction of the ORIGINAL Dubrovnik 1950 set. I'm Mr. Pragmatic: I am quite happy with my NEAR reproduction "Collector's Series w/4.0 king", so if it comes down that both sets feel exactly or almost the same, then you jump on the set you can at an excellent price.
Who said we'd never get back on track?!?
Hope you got that off your chest.