1851 resin set on palisander anegre and maple chessboard.
Reproduction and Real Jaques of London Chess Set
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Feb 21, 2016
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#1804
rcmacmillan wrote:
Carl, I would vote for it the way you originally posted it, but with the thin pads. A "clean" version might be nice, but to my mind, the "dirt" adds character. As much as I might like to buy it, I'm not in the market right now, though. Major home renovations are ongoing,
Thanks Rob....I think we will go for both a clean and a aged old look both with thin felting ....
A clean finish gets my vote. I don't like the dirty finish.
Black imitation leather pads on the bottom seems the best option for me. I'd have to see the clean look to compare it with the aged look before I could decide which one I like better, but I am fan of the aged look so far.
Feb 23, 2016
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#1808
Hi Guys...I am delighted to announce our latest reproduction set! It is the set that was used in the famous Piatigorsky Cup tournaments. A truly beautiful and historic collectors set. Many thanks to Mike L for his incredible support throughout
Limited to only 50 sets
We are taking Pre Orders
: https://www.officialstaunton.com/collections/chess-pieces/products/the-piatigorsky-cup-reproduction-chessmen
As usual we are offering a discount (£50.00) to chess.com members, email for pre-orders
GM4U wrote:
Hi Guys...I am delighted to announce our latest reproduction set! It is the set that was used in the famous Piatigorsky Cup match. A truly beautiful and historic collectors set. Many thanks to Mike L for his incredible support throughout
Limited to only 50 sets
We are taking Pre Orders
: https://www.officialstaunton.com/collections/chess-pieces/products/the-piatigorsky-cup-reproduction-chessmen
Carl, I want to personally thank you for making this amazing & magnificent set available to chess collectors like myself. These chessmen have a history of gigantic proportions when you consider they were used in the 1963 and 1966 Piatigorsky Cup tournaments. the 1961 Bobby Fischer-Sammy Reaschevsky match, and the 1968 playoff match among Reschevsk, Stein and Hort. Just about every top Grandmaster during this time span played with this fantastic set.
As a serious collector I can't thank you enough for this undertaking and achievement. I can't tell you enough how happy you have made this collector!
Feb 23, 2016
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#1810
My mobile app prevents me from seeing or posting pics, but this Piatagorsky set is a brilliant idea!
I assume this is a replica of the Herman Steiner designed set. FWIW, you can buy an original from his son here:
http://www.joshmentzer.com/chess/
FrankHelwig wrote:
I assume this is a replica of the Herman Steiner designed set. FWIW, you can buy an original from his son here:
http://www.joshmentzer.com/chess/
Frank if you would have hit the link to the set, you would have read: "We are thrilled to be the first chess company to initiate a reproduction of the very famous and unique Steiner chessmen as used in the legendary Piatigorsky Cup Chess Tournament.
BTW, Mentzer is not Steiner's son. And the $2000 price tag is in the twlight zone.
I assume Mentzer has the rights to the design, per Steiner's estate. Whereas this reproduction may be infringing Steiner's copyright.
rcmacmillan wrote:
A copyright search reveals nothing under Steiner or Mentzer. Besides, aside from the uniqeness of the knight, it is clearly a Staunton design. Carl is in the clear on this.
In the US, a copyright is automatically conferred to the author upon creation (no need to register right away; plaintiffs do so just before filing suit in Federal court). The knight is very distinctive and is easily a "scupture" or other work of art under the US copyright laws. Worse, the OS website admits to copying, even attributing the design to Steiner. I am not saying there is infringement, as OS may have a license or Steiner's estate does not care and dedicates the design to the public. But since someone obviously bought originals from Steiner's estate and is still selling the sets....
Feb 24, 2016
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#1816
Kycoo wrote:
rcmacmillan wrote:
A copyright search reveals nothing under Steiner or Mentzer. Besides, aside from the uniqeness of the knight, it is clearly a Staunton design. Carl is in the clear on this.
In the US, a copyright is automatically conferred to the author upon creation (no need to register right away; plaintiffs do so just before filing suit in Federal court). The knight is very distinctive and is easily a "scupture" or other work of art under the US copyright laws. Worse, the OS website admits to copying, even attributing the design to Steiner. I am not saying there is infringement, as OS may have a license or Steiner's estate does not care and dedicates the design to the public. But since someone obviously bought originals from Steiner's estate and is still selling the sets....
My understanding of copyright law is limited, however I do know that where a chess set design is concerned it is very difficult to claim “ sculpture rights” when standard shaped staunton counterparts are in public domain, this would mean that at least the knight which is the defining piece in this particular set would have had to been protected under registration and sold/ offered as a single unit and not as a full set.
"Old ivory sets had no pads ( Alan is that correct?) "
Yes Carl. I never saw a Jaques ivory set with felt or pads of any kind. This of course would be in keeping with the JAQUES LONDON stamp being on the underside of the white king.
Incidentally the first few ivory sets (from Jaques) used the same curved stamp (curved to fit the upper side of the footrim of the wooden kings) as the wood sets it was only later that a straight JAQUES LONDON stamp was made and used on ivory sets. There is one for sale on invaluable.com right now if you care to look. It would be an interesting set to copy in plastic if you buy it. If I were in England I would (buy it that is).
Whitty who were in Liverpool (at 35 Tithebarn St. (from memory)) covered the bases of their ivory sets in red felt and also cut incised rings into the underside of the bases presumably to take the glue. I have never seen a stamped Whitty set, so there is some controversy over who made these sets.
Rick of Rickofricks (that reads Rick of Ricks not Rick;o' fricks as I thought for years) has been selling moulded historical sets for years. his site is worth a look.
This set?
http://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/an-early-20thc-j-jaques,-london-ivory-part-staun-357-c-93d41d4870
I'll be watching the final price for this, as it may prove very informative.
missing pawns, only 3 pieces w/ crown mark, damaged pieces, no box - doesn't seem like a very attractive set.
I agree with wiscmike. Felted pads would be more than just a detail since no padding would affect playability. I understand the logic of trying to replicate older sets as closely as possible, but will this be a collector's set to be kept behind glass somewhere or a set to actually play with? Also, the dirty look looks classy to my eye, and really makes the lines of the pieces 'pop out', if you get what I mean. That might help visibility on a chess board, which means you could end up with something that is very nicely playable.