Small Steps to Giant Improvements - Master Pawn Play by Sam Shankland

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RussBell
kindaspongey wrote:

Some people like the book and some don't. What more is there to say?

That's what it boils down to...

But one will only benefit by serious study of the book...

As the adage goes...."you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."

 

uri65
RussBell wrote:
uri65 wrote:
RussBell wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

One can see a sample at:

http://store.doverpublications.com/0486264866.html

"... Hans Kmoch’s Pawn Power in Chess is considered a classic by many. Nonetheless, most people found it daunting and confusing, given its weird terminology. Also the scope the book was more theoretical than practical; not an easy book to read and study with. ..."

https://web.archive.org/web/20140708110136/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review249.pdf

This sounds like what most people would have to say about my college electrical engineering and especially mathematics text books. It's a good thing I ignored the viewpoint of most people, else I would probably never have achieved my engineering degree...  

If you let most people determine your path in life, you might never achieve your potential...

I have never seen a mathematics text book with weird terminology - they all use a standard one.

Judging by reviews most people think that Kmoch's book is good. So I just follow your advice and don't let most people's opinion to determine my path.

 

The following is representative of the kind of mathematics to be found in university level advanced engineering and physics text books.  What would most people think about it?  weird? incomprehensible? jibberish?  Of course, if one has an advanced degree in any of these subjects, then for them it would simply be standard mathematics terminology...

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/PeriodicOrthogonal.aspx

The point being the level of sophistication of the student with regard to the knowledge base required to understand the material in question.  If one hasn't attained a prerequisite knowledge base, one is likely to have significant difficulties when studying and understanding the more advanced material of a technical subject.  So it is with the more advanced chess books.

Quote from kindaspongey obviously talks about chess players opinion about Kmoch's book. You are asking about general public opinion about math books. To me it's comparing apples to oranges.

The most advanced chess book I've had a look at was probably Dvoretsky's Analytical Manual. It's intended audience is well over 2000. It's hard as hell but it's written excellently and fun to read.

Advanced material can be explained clearly (Dvoretsky in chess, Feynman in physics) or it can be made obscure (Kmoch). In the latter case half of the time you spend struggling against the author's inability to explain things.

kindaspongey

If you two keep it up, I am just going to have to read the book myself and render the definitive opinion. Now look what you've done!

RussBell

@uri65 - My commentary on engineering and mathematics was by way of an analogy - i.e., the study of material that would be considered difficult and probably unappealing to most people.  

Obviously your perspective with regard to Kmoch's book is the opposite of mine.  I find Kmoch's explanations and terminology enlightening, not obscure.

RussBell
kindaspongey wrote:

If you two keep it up, I am just going to have to read the book myself and render the definitive opinion. Now look what you've done!

If you read it, some day you'll thank me....

(It was part of the plan!)...

But understand this is not a book you can or should breeze through....

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Another caveat....

If for whatever reason you cannot or will not embrace both descriptive notation and Kmoch's novel (but apt) terminology, then you will not be able to enjoy the book.....in which case you should simply give it up and move on to something more to your liking - this does not reflect negatively on you, it simply means that the book is not your cup of tea....and that's ok....

For me, it's a cup of knowledge that I happily drink from....

 

kindaspongey
RussBell wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

If you two keep it up, I am just going to have to read the book myself and render the definitive opinion. Now look what you've done!

If you read it, some day you'll thank me ...

Did you ever see the TV show, Monk? My guess is that, someday, I will have a kindaspongey opinion.

RussBell
kindaspongey wrote:
RussBell wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

If you two keep it up, I am just going to have to read the book myself and render the definitive opinion. Now look what you've done!

If you read it, some day you'll thank me ...

Did you ever see the TV show, Monk? My guess is that, someday, I will have a kindaspongey opinion.

I never saw the TV show Monk.

Plabuk

@RussBell

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/PeriodicOrthogonal.aspx (post 18)

 

I don't see a problem with this. Just standard maths.

kindaspongey

Monk was more recent (than 65-75). Anybody out there remember it? Perhaps some episodes are available online.

Sorry Plabuk, but I am not in the mood for math today. I need to save myself for Kmoch reading.

RussBell
kindaspongey wrote:

Monk was more recent (than 65-75). Anybody out there remember it? Perhaps some episodes are available online.

I just saw on Wikipedia that the show Monk ran in the early 2000's.  In fact, I had never heard of it until you brought it up.  But I am very selective and particular about what I watch on TV.  Sitcoms, drama and the various and sundry mindless entertainment fare are generally of no interest to me.

RussBell
Plabuk wrote:

@RussBell

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/PeriodicOrthogonal.aspx (post 18)

 

I don't see a problem with this. Just standard maths.

You must be brilliant!

kindaspongey
RussBell wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

Monk was more recent (than 65-75). Anybody out there remember it? Perhaps some episodes are available online.

I just saw on Wikipedia that the show Monk ran in the early 2000's.  In fact, I had never heard of it until you brought it up.  But I am very selective and particular about what I watch on TV.  Sitcoms, drama and the various and sundry mindless entertainment fare are generally of no interest to me.

If you watch it, you'll thank me, later.

Plabuk

Definitely not brilliant. Just an old engineer.

RussBell
Plabuk wrote:

Definitely not brilliant. Just an old engineer.

Sounds like me....(graduated from university in 1973 - now retired and spending too much time on chess.com)...

RussBell
kindaspongey wrote:
RussBell wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

Monk was more recent (than 65-75). Anybody out there remember it? Perhaps some episodes are available online.

I just saw on Wikipedia that the show Monk ran in the early 2000's.  In fact, I had never heard of it until you brought it up.  But I am very selective and particular about what I watch on TV.  Sitcoms, drama and the various and sundry mindless entertainment fare are generally of no interest to me.

If you watch it, you'll thank me, later.

I'll give it a look, and we will see...!

Is there a particular episode that I should see?  If so, post a YouTube link if available..

VLaurenT
dannyhume wrote:
Any idea what rating range this book is best useful, and where it would fall in difficulty with other books covering pawns such as those by Kmoch, Hickl, Soltis, Sokolov, Rios Flores, and the two by Marovic?

 

This is a good book for pretty much any level of player, provided you have basic board vision (ie. 1300+ elo OTB roughly). Shankland does a good job of explaining things in great detail, using comparisons between similar positions.

kindaspongey
RussBell wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
RussBell wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

Monk was more recent (than 65-75). Anybody out there remember it? Perhaps some episodes are available online.

I just saw on Wikipedia that the show Monk ran in the early 2000's.  In fact, I had never heard of it until you brought it up.  But I am very selective and particular about what I watch on TV.  Sitcoms, drama and the various and sundry mindless entertainment fare are generally of no interest to me.

If you watch it, you'll thank me, later.

I'll give it a look, and we will see...!

Is there a particular episode that I should see?  If so, post a YouTube link if available..

I guess I should give my joke away. The main character frequently says, "You'll thank me, later." I have no idea which episodes had him saying that, but it was a lot of them.

RussBell
kindaspongey wrote:
RussBell wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
RussBell wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:

Monk was more recent (than 65-75). Anybody out there remember it? Perhaps some episodes are available online.

I just saw on Wikipedia that the show Monk ran in the early 2000's.  In fact, I had never heard of it until you brought it up.  But I am very selective and particular about what I watch on TV.  Sitcoms, drama and the various and sundry mindless entertainment fare are generally of no interest to me.

If you watch it, you'll thank me, later.

I'll give it a look, and we will see...!

Is there a particular episode that I should see?  If so, post a YouTube link if available..

I guess I should give my joke away. The main character frequently says, "You'll thank me, later." I have no idea which episodes had him saying that, but it was a lot of them.

Upon reflection, I concluded that might be the case, but never having seen the show, I wasn't sure...

In any case, if you do find an episode you care to recommend, I will watch it....otherwise, I may or may not, since it isn't a particularly compelling priority for me...

ed1975
wiscmike wrote:

 my guess is the first run will be sold out and fast. Just saying. 

But the e-book won't be wink.png

uri65
ed1975 wrote:
wiscmike wrote:

 my guess is the first run will be sold out and fast. Just saying. 

But the e-book won't be

Good point! My last purchase of a paper book goes back to 2013, since then it was only e-books (ChessBase, Forward Chess, Gambit Chess Studio)