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I am looking for a book to teach me how to play this opening. Do you think I should get trompowsky move by move or playing the trompowsky?

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Probably the one that came out by quality chess. There's also an older book called 'winning with the trompowsky' which is very good.

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Depends on your strength tbh. It's pretty arbitrary and I suck at making these sorts of distinctions, but probably Class B and below should go with Tromp MBM (disclaimer : I don't actually have this book, but am familiar with the general layout of the author and the MBM serues), whereas Class A and up should probably go with the more concrete variation oriented PTT (which I do have and have read - hooray for being qualified to answer the question) 

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Thanks for your answers. I have faced similar difficult decisions. Whether It is better to get an older version that is presumably better or a newer one but is less good in quality but probably more up to date.

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One example is whether I should get the chess developments semi slav or sakaev complete Slavs columns in conjunction with playing 1.d4 volumes.

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Hey,

I'm an addictive 1.d4 player too. I'm tired of the main lines because recently I've been encountering the Albin counter gambit which has been drawing me into aggressive lines that I don't want to go near.

 

I'm looking at Trompowsky (1.d4 d5/Nf6 2.Bg5) or the Richter-Veresov attack (aka "The inverse Ruy Lopez")...I mainly use Chess Base to get around the problem

It's a software that has the log of all super GM games from around 1890 till now...you can input first three moves and basically see all the games with the same moves

 

There are around 8000 Trompowsky games that you can refer

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You can also remain a d4/c4 player while avoiding weird gambit stuff by playing 2.Nf3 and 3.c4

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I don't think I want to that. I want to play the trompowsky as the response against Nf6 but don't really think the pseudo tromp is very good. However I am having some difficulties breaking down the Slavs. Any suggestions on that too?

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I play 1.e4 but am having trouble breaking down some sicllians and 1.e5. Not to mention being less familiar with some unorthandox defenses. Thus I only play in blitz( lots of times on this site) however otb I use 1.d4

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Sometimes building a repotoire can be tough

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If there are any suggestions on building a repotoire, I will greatly appreciate them.

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Hi Superfishy, there is a chessbase dvd about it i think and this is very good for learning. I am playing the Trompovsky for myself so in an hour or something like that I will Show you some lines and ideas behind the tromp. Cheers, Till

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Here are some lines and ideas about the trompovsky. There are 3 ways how black will answer the trompovsky. We will start with the worst one:

2.g6 line:

 

D5 line:(or 2. e6 which transposes into d5 lines later)

 
 
 
C5 lines( benoni structure):
 
 



This is my own trompovsky repertoire based on some gm books and chessbase dvds. hope i could help you:)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



Avatar of Ziggy_Zugzwang

@Til_98. Thanks for posting those lines.

What do you like against 1d4 Nf6 2Bg5 e6    ?

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The line kornak showed isnt definetly not what white wants to get in the opening. Black has the bishops pair, whites bishop is very bad in this pawn struture and black also has ideas to open the position with f5.

Against e6 I play the move Nd2 with the idea to transpose into the d5 system. Black will have to play d5 at some point. After Nd2 I play the standard plan for white: pawns d4,e3,c3,(f4), bishops g5 and d3, Knights d2 and f3 and then attack on the kingside.

When black doesnt play d5 himself after Nd2 then white can even play e4 to play with queensagmbit structures. A typical plan to attack is later : Bd3-Bb1-Qd3-e5 and h7 collapses. This battery between bishop b1 and queen d3 is often very dangerous exspecially when you have a bishop on g5 or a pawn on e4 who can eliminate the Nf6 which is the only piece that defends the mate on h7. Cheers, Till

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"Against e6 I play the move Nd2 with the idea to transpose into the d5 system. Black will have to play d5 at some point. After Nd2 I play the standard plan for white: pawns d4,e3,c3,(f4), bishops g5 and d3, Knights d2 and f3 and then attack on the kingside."

So you usually trade on f6 when/if black plays h6 ?

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not always. Mostly its better to retreat, that means bh4

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rdecredico wrote:
mvg17reddevil wrote:

Hey,

I'm an addictive 1.d4 player too. I'm tired of the main lines because recently I've been encountering the Albin counter gambit which has been drawing me into aggressive lines that I don't want to go near.

 

I'm looking at Trompowsky (1.d4 d5/Nf6 2.Bg5) or the Richter-Veresov attack (aka "The inverse Ruy Lopez")...I mainly use Chess Base to get around the problem

It's a software that has the log of all super GM games from around 1890 till now...you can input first three moves and basically see all the games with the same moves

 

There are around 8000 Trompowsky games that you can refer

Play 3. a3 v. the Albin /// transposes to a very good line of the Chigorin for White. 

3. a3 Nc6
4. e3!

And Black has no tricks left. 

I'm playing a game under classic time control tomorrow against a very familiar opponent who will surely play the Albin having beaten me two weeks ago with the same...have a look

 

 

So this is what I've prepared this time

 



This is what I don't like about the Albin..In the first game I made a minor mistake and got thumped...and even if I don't, it feels like I'm playing with black! ...can you elaborate your 3. a3 variation with a few examples..thanks.. (I don't want to stop playing my fave Queen's gambit because of this silly countergambit)

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In what Till calls the D5 line given above black rarely plays 7....d6 rather s/he plays 7....e6. Now when white chooses to continue e4 black plays exd5.

Difficult to evaluate the position but I prefer black myself, at least I had my only win against an IM playing black in this line.

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hi johnyoudell,

which line do you exactly mean?

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