Ultimate Chess Pieces

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TheAdultProdigy
notmtwain wrote:
Kummatmebro wrote:

does anyone know where i can find this specific set?

 

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http://www.chesshouse.com/3_5_8_Ultimate_Chess_Pieces_p/e119.htm

It's from a discontinued set.

The case of the missing molds

In On Chess

6:36 am on Wed, 07.24.13

Considering the escalation of tension over depleting oil reserves, I’m seriously concerned with the level of meltdown America will encounter as we run dangerously low on intellectual reserves.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the United States is running out of chess pieces.

The Chess Club and Scholastic Center of Saint Louis stocks much of its inventory – specifically its pieces – through American Chess Equipment, a wholesale supplier out of Anaheim, Calif. Several months ago, however, those pieces stopped coming in – and the dark whispers of rumor began to swirl.

The fate of the Ultimate weighted chess set, featuring a signature look and feel, is unclear.

A minor problem easily solved, you say, but understand the concerned level of which I speak. These pieces are known as the Ultimate chess set, and they are the quintessential choice when playing with plastic. Black pieces on one side, and not-white opposing: The yellow cream that opened a game provided a unique and instantly identifiable look to chess halls across America.

And these superior pieces are even more special on the inside. Over the years, players have found that tactics aren’t the only thing that affect their pieces: Outdoor players have had many a game literally blown up by the wind, and the fast-flying moves of a blitz player have seen too many pieces knocked over to count. To combat these extra-particulars of chess, it became commonplace to insert weights within the pieces.

This, of course, merely gave us chess nerds something else to obsess over. Single weights obviously needed to be one-upped, while double-weighted pieces didn’t always seem to cut the mustard. And quadruple-weighted sets? Let’s not get carried away.

No, the Ultimate sets became the cream of the crop of the triple-weighted pieces, finding a perfect harmony of density and balance. For more than a decade, they have become the unofficial industry standard: Referring to a set as triple-weighted meant you were speaking of the Ultimate set. And helping to secure its notoriety was an internal design quirk that kept the weights from rattling loose as quickly as other inferior sets, many that just jammed weights inside with glue and covered with a piece of felt.

“They just had a great feel to them, just a great design,” said American Chess Equipment owner Shelby Lohrman, the United States’ sole distributor of the Ultimate set. “Really chunky pawns, and the knights had a good look – not too big or ugly. The set could handle the abuse of blitz, but it was also nice-looking enough to keep out in the house. Before I became a wooden-set snob, all I would play with was the Ultimate set.”

But Lohrman received bad news upon his last order to create more Ultimate pieces. Or, more accurately, he received no news. After 15 years of production, the Taiwanese plastics factory that produced the Ultimate sets just simply stopped responding to any of Lohrman’s inquires – and soon after, desperate pleas – for a resupply.

He tried recruiting the help of previous owner Dewain Barber, credited with the design of the mold used to produce the sets, but to no avail. About 25 unresponded to e-mails and half-dozen unanswered phone calls later, Lohrman sent another Taiwanese supplier to check things out: The plastics factory was now a hotel, and the sales office, a strip mall.

A vanishing act, indeed, but of most concern was the disappearance of that mold – which had cost Barber $15,000 to create, back in a time when discretionary income was a bit easier to come by.

“I would have paid $5,000 for someone just to pack up the mold and send it to me,” Lohrman said. “If I had that mold, we could find another plastics company in Mexico or India and have them produced again in a month. It was our mold anyway. We paid for it, but to try to find it in a place like Taiwain ... no, we’re never going to get that thing back.”

Now, the U.S. chess scene is knocking on Lohrman’s door for more of the beloved triple-weights, and he can do little more than shrug his shoulders. Ultimate set prices have skyrocketed around the Internet, hitting prices on eBay for upward of $50 a pop – nearly tripling their original cost. And those who need more than just a set or two – such as Alex Marler, manager of the Chess Club and Scholastic Center of Saint Louis – are completely out of luck.

“I’ve looked around for surplus to buy,” Marler said. “No one is selling them. None of the big distributors has anything. I found one guy on Amazon who wanted a couple hundred bucks for 10 sets. We have to replace 150 sets in the club.”

Sadly, this column does not come with a happy ending. Lohrman says he has restarted the process, already having found a Mexican plastics company that could turnaround his orders even faster than Taiwan. He is in the process of getting laser measurements done on an existing set to produce a CAD-design and recreate the mold – but the cost to make another mold bears a heavy weight.

And until that happens, for the rest of us, it bears a triple weight on our hearts.

“We’re going to cry a lot of tears if we have to replace the Ultimate set,” Marler said.

 

More crying about these pieces: http://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-equipment/is-this-style-set-still-available?page=1

I've seen no word on newly available ultimate pieces or knock-offs.  Has anyone else?

loubalch
Kendis1 wrote:

If you're looking for an alternative to the Ultimate now that it is out of stock, below is a link to the 68 ounce (4 lbs, 4 ounce) Zukert set.  I recently purchased it and it looks great and feels great.

https://thechessstore.com/zukert-series-plastic-chess-set-in-burgundy-camel-4-25-king/

Kendis,

I own the Ultimate set, and have the Zukert set on order (also in burgundy and camel. You have good taste, sir). I look forward to comparing the two sets once it arrives. Can't wait!

But the two sets are not interchangeable. The Ultimate has a king with a 1-9/16" diameter (micrometer reading), which works best on a 2" or 2-1/8" board. Whereas the Zukert, with a 1-7/8" diameter king, works best on a 2-3/8" or 2-1/2" board. It'll be nice having two sets that can comfortably play on four different size chess board without overlapping.

I always keep a couple of chess sets in my car just in case, but don't want to expose my wooden sets to the harsh winter weather here in Wisconsin (that's asking for trouble). So the Ultimate and Zukert sets will be my "go to" impromptu sets until next spring.

NOTE: if space is limited, the Ultimate is playable on a 1-7/8" vinyl board, and the Zukert on a 2-1/4" board. That means these two sets will  play on every standard size board between 1-7/8" and 2-1/2" (6 chess boards). The chess equivalent to a Swiss Army knife.

TundraMike

I doubt the Ultimate set will be duplicated in my life time. To put out all that money for castings is crazy unless there every becomes a cheap way to make castings. There are many nice plastic sets including the one you just ordered.  In that color combo it looks sweet.  

I am sure the reason why the Chess House still has it on their site is the hits the search of "ultimate chess set" gives them. Advertising is all about getting people to your site and they so show up #5 with that search in Google right underneath Amazon which still has the item up. 

guardianx9

I have the ultimate they are indeed brolic and sturdy.. The stauton club chess pieces break alot especially the black pawn my ultimate set didnt break after all the abuse...

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Ace_Club

@priyaiyer13, while those are very nice pieces, they don't hold a candle to the plastic Ultimate Chess Pieces.

vkappag

Some dude at my club sold me his ultimate pieces for $10, everything is in tact and no defects.

 

Didnt realize they were out of production..

How much do you think i can sell them for?

notmtwain
priyaiyer13 wrote:

Hello Friends,

I am selling my brand new luxury chess set.I have 20+ brand new excotic sets.I have lots of pics.

 

Please contact me for price.I have more than 20 different sets:)Please contact me at priyaiyer13@gmail.com

This thread is about a particular plastic set that a lot of people liked.

There is no need to spam this thread to sell your sets.

guardianx9

This set go as high as 50 on ebay... yeah to the spammer stop spamming ur sheet here make ur own thread

paretobox

I just saw this whole thread and it really is depressing me.  I had one of the earliest Ultimate sets but it got lost in the move to a new home as we moved across the country. I always thought I would be able to replace it.  Sigh.  Guess not.

I do think the newish 4 inch heavyweight sets are quite good though, but that Ultimate set really was special for its playability.

Speaking of which, are there plastic cheap sets available that match the old USCF design?  The new basic sets seem to be differently shaped and not as nice as the originals from 10-15 years ago (if you look at the knights, the new ones seem to have narrower, higher bases and the old ones were wider and more nicely finished).  Superficially they look similar but the one I saw recently was clearly inferior to the older USCF sets.  Do they still sell them?

paretobox

So in my quest to replace my Ultimate set I purchased two different used sets from Ebay.  One was a slightly discolored but otherwise perfect match to the Ultimate set I remembered.  The other looked identical but was unweighted.  I had never heard of such a set.

Did the people making the Ultimate set issue them in unweighted form?  I suppose so, since I have one now.  But I guess it's possible the molds were used for sets sold to a different set of retailers.

Cyklone

I play with a guy who has an Ultimate set that's either unweighted or lightly weighted.

JoeyTroy

Gents,

I know this maybe some what of an old thread but I have come accross a vendor that is selling something similair at least in terms of the looks of the pieces made by Sterling Games Single. The weight looks to be 1.4pounds for the whole set. While not nearly the same as ACE at least the pieces are very similar.

Pieces
http://www.ebay.com/itm/291718779083

Set with Pieces
http://www.ebay.com/itm/291792335879

Sold Via Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0006FU2LG

bananamoon

is it this one you're looking for?

JoeyTroy

Yes sir!! As long as it's 4 pounds in weight.

TheAdultProdigy

Yes, that's it!