Which company makes the best chess sets?

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Mohan_Kumar_Chess
MGT88 wrote:

There are a number of very aggressive supporters (employees?) of Indian manufacturers on these forums, who seem to always come out of the woodwork to attack Noj. Noj produces a small number of very high quality sets, CB and other Indian manufacturers turn out a large number of lower quality sets (at a cheaper price); I don't see what the big deal is, it is like comparing Ferrari (Noj) to Toyota (CB), each manufacturer serves a different need/customer. In any case, I'm pretty tired of debating with CB employees about this.

If they are CB employees then who you are? Noj employees. Stop making stupid comments my friend. We never said CB sets are anyway superior to Noj. Or Noj is anyway inferior to CB. Understand that first. @Sound67 just talked about the value for money.

If you think that Noj is pinacle of making Chess Sets (they make replicas), then have a look at these sets made of Ivory. Monochrome and Polychrome.

No one said Noj is less and CB is best. First understand the point we make. Are you a Noj employee? 

Eyechess

But the discussion is not about value for price.  It is about the best quality.

Also, Noj does make original designed sets.  All the Best Chessmen Ever sets, GM Pavasovic set and a few others are original Noj made sets.

I will gladly put my GM Pavasovic set up against any Indian made set as a contest of quality.  Noj will win hands down.  I actually have had Chess playing friends state this as a fact.

Mohan_Kumar_Chess
MGT88 wrote:

This thread is about the best quality wooden chess sets, not the best value, and not the best ivory elephants (why are you posting these? LOL). Thank you for admitting Noj produces higher quality wooden chess pieces than CB.

Joke on you. Show where it is mentioned about Wood. Are you day dreaming or lack reading abilities?
He asked about chess sets. That includes every chess set. Just don't blabber. Find a new reason Mr. Joke. Don't try to act too smart.

Eyechess

And now that you mention it Noj IS the pinnacle of Chess set makers.

Mohan_Kumar_Chess
Eyechess wrote:

And now that you mention it Noj IS the pinnacle of Chess set makers.

No. They are not even close. 

Mohan_Kumar_Chess
MGT88 wrote:
Mohan_Kumar_Chess wrote:
MGT88 wrote:

This thread is about the best quality wooden chess sets, not the best value, and not the best ivory elephants (why are you posting these? LOL). Thank you for admitting Noj produces higher quality wooden chess pieces than CB.

Joke on you. Show where it is mentioned about Wood. Are you day dreaming or lack reading abilities?
He asked about chess sets. That includes every chess set. Just don't blabber. Find a new reason Mr. Joke. Don't try to act too smart.

It is implied, 99% of people play with wooden chess sets, not random ivory elephants.

Hahaha, coming with reasons to belittle these beautiful sets. Sets replica of Noj is nowhere near these beautifully crafted sets. Don't joke here. Try something else. 

Mohan_Kumar_Chess
MGT88 wrote:

My friend, I don't care about elephant chess sets, neither does anyone else on this board; we are discussing conventional wood chess pieces in Staunton/Dubrvonik/similar styles; the fact that you have to resort to ivory elephant carvings basically shows how lost your argument is.

My friend AIW makes the best chess sets. Period.

Mohan_Kumar_Chess
MGT88 wrote:
Mohan_Kumar_Chess wrote:

Amritsar Ivory Works makes the best Chess Sets currently. Period. 

So go buy from them and be happy

So better stop these kind of kids talk. 

ifekali
sound67 wrote:

Apparently, some racism is involved here, ...

 

What??? WHAAAAT?

Dammit, you made me spit coffee all over my iMac. After I wipe it off, this remark of yours better get wiped off the screen too or I might do it again!

You should realize this can work both ways, you <deleted by moderator>.

-Izmet Fekali

 

htdavid
Mohan_Kumar_Chess wrote:
MGT88 wrote:

There are a number of very aggressive supporters (employees?) of Indian manufacturers on these forums, who seem to always come out of the woodwork to attack Noj. Noj produces a small number of very high quality sets, CB and other Indian manufacturers turn out a large number of lower quality sets (at a cheaper price); I don't see what the big deal is, it is like comparing Ferrari (Noj) to Toyota (CB), each manufacturer serves a different need/customer. In any case, I'm pretty tired of debating with CB employees about this.

If they are CB employees then who you are? Noj employees. Stop making stupid comments my friend. We never said CB sets are anyway superior to Noj. Or Noj is anyway inferior to CB. Understand that first. @Sound67 just talked about the value for money.

If you think that Noj is pinacle of making Chess Sets (they make replicas), then have a look at these sets made of Ivory. Monochrome and Polychrome.

No one said Noj is less and CB is best. First understand the point we make. Are you a Noj employee? 

 

I have not read the 3 pages of this debate yet...

However.  Those elephant sets pictures you are presenting honestly look disgusting to me.

They look like a grandmother's porcelains collection, and when she dies they get donated to goodwill and sell at a dollar a piece.

I am understanding we both have very different ideas of what does make a good set from a bad set.

But lest take a common point that actual chess players do care about: weight balance... you know when you playing and pick up the piece... and in that metrics, the elephants set does look like decorative at best, no something you can comfortable play a chess game.

Those pieces also don't seem to have a good grip design... what happens if playing a game someone accidentally drops a piece on top of the others? do the creators of this set ever consider how the set performs on an actual game?

The elephant set have all the problems the Staunton design fixed over a hundred years ago.

It is actually silly to present a set as the best quality, and it ignores the best design.

Mohan_Kumar_Chess
htdavid wrote:

I have not read the 3 pages of this debate yet...

However.  Those elephant sets pictures you are presenting honestly look disgusting to me.

They look like a grandmother's porcelains collection, and when she dies they get donated to goodwill and sell at a dollar a piece.

I am understanding we both have very different ideas of what does make a good set from a bad set.

But lest take a common point that actual chess players do care about: weight balance... you know when you playing and pick up the piece... and in that metrics, the elephants set does look like decorative at best, no something you can comfortable play a chess game.

Those pieces also don't seem to have a good grip design... what happens if playing a game someone accidentally drops a piece on top of the others? do the creators of this set ever consider how the set performs on an actual game?

The elephant set have all the problems the Staunton design fixed over a hundred years ago.

It is actually silly to present a set as the best quality, and it ignores the best design.

I will refect your exact opinion to Frank. Camaratta. He is the one selling "a dollar a piece set" for $19,900. You must ask why he was overpricing that disgusting set. 
Here is his frank.a.camaratta@gmail.com 
Post his reply here. eagerly waiting. happy.png

IpswichMatt
htdavid wrote:

I have not read the 3 pages of this debate yet...

Oh you should. Get some popcorn, that has all the hallmarks of being a classic...

htdavid
MGT88 wrote:
Eyechess wrote:

This sound67, and belatedly Mohan..., are way off topic to this discussion.

The topic and question is which company sells the best chess sets.  
Mohan, this is not a discussion about whether the set is worth the average Joe buying.  
Sound67, you need to quit attacking others.  We are here talking about Chess equipment, not anything else.  By your comments you now show yourself to be misinformed (Izmet does not own Noj at all) and an ignorant person attacking and arguing people not product.

There are a number of very aggressive supporters (employees?) of Indian manufacturers on these forums, who seem to always come out of the woodwork to attack Noj. Noj produces a small number of very high quality sets, CB and other Indian manufacturers turn out a large number of lower quality sets (at a cheaper price); I don't see what the big deal is, it is like comparing Ferrari (Noj) to Toyota (CB), each manufacturer serves a different need/customer. In any case, I'm pretty tired of debating with CB employees about this.

 

Toyota is not low quality... I think Chevrolet works better in that comparison.

I am also no so sure about Ferrari.... I kind of see it as a status symbol to signal wealth... not really something that is mean as transportation... If I am right about Ferrari, then I would not compare NOJ to it... a Ferrari is something more like the elephants ivory set.

Mohan_Kumar_Chess
MGT88 wrote:
Mohan_Kumar_Chess wrote:
htdavid wrote:

I have not read the 3 pages of this debate yet...

However.  Those elephant sets pictures you are presenting honestly look disgusting to me.

They look like a grandmother's porcelains collection, and when she dies they get donated to goodwill and sell at a dollar a piece.

I am understanding we both have very different ideas of what does make a good set from a bad set.

But lest take a common point that actual chess players do care about: weight balance... you know when you playing and pick up the piece... and in that metrics, the elephants set does look like decorative at best, no something you can comfortable play a chess game.

Those pieces also don't seem to have a good grip design... what happens if playing a game someone accidentally drops a piece on top of the others? do the creators of this set ever consider how the set performs on an actual game?

The elephant set have all the problems the Staunton design fixed over a hundred years ago.

It is actually silly to present a set as the best quality, and it ignores the best design.

I will refect your exact opinion to Frank. Camaratta. He is the one selling "a dollar a piece set" for $19,900. You must ask why he was overpricing that disgusting set. 
Here is his frank.a.camaratta@gmail.com 
Post his reply here. eagerly waiting.

Give us the link to granny’s 19k porcelain elephant collection

Your comment show how cheap you are. This is how they raised you. shame on your parents.

Mohan_Kumar_Chess

@MGT88
This chepo calling others Chessbazaar employees.


Hahaha, what a joke this chepo was. He is calling others Chessbazaar employees forgetting that he himself is a Noj employee. tongue.png


Eyechess
The fellow from Germany starts calling racist.
No one on this forum has made any racist comment except him.
Oh yes, he needs to do this because he realizes that he has lost the argument and discussion and is wrong.
Yes Sound67 quit posting here. That will make it better for everyone.
Mohan do you own any sets not made in India? While your India company can and does produce very nice sets, they certainly cannot produce better sets than Noj.
Did you overlook the fact I stated that Noj does indeed make original design sets not as you claimed they only make replicas? Yeah, you lose an argument point and try to ignore your wrongness.
Mohan_Kumar_Chess
MGT88 wrote:
Mohan_Kumar_Chess wrote:

@MGT88
This chepo calling others Chessbazaar employees.


Hahaha, what a joke this chepo was. He is calling others Chessbazaar employees forgetting that he himself is a Noj employee.


I own three Noj sets and I support their products, I am not hiding this, I posted links to the two huge reviews I wrote *in this thread* and in those reviews I openly admit I love their company. Why are you combative/rude/insulting? You need to start conducting yourself like an adult; when you entered this thread you could have just made a nice post about AIW or whoever you think is best and left it at that; instead, you come in swinging insulting everyone and disparaging other companies. Look at Eyechess’s original post in this thread, it is completely objective and gives every manufacturer a fair review (he owns sets from everyone). 

insulting everyone? hahaha, you are the one insulting everyone here. Show from where I have insulted. You are the one who insulted and just acting as if the other way. And attacking Noj???? What have you had. Read from first what my comment says before imagining. You are constantly disparging Indian companies as cheap and now speaking as if we said so.

Even the "House of Staunton", "Regency Chess", if I am not mistaken "Mark of Westminster", "Jacques of London" sets too made in India. You calling the Indian manufacturers. What???
Indian manufacturers means all those sets sold by the above said are to my knowledge made by the Indian manufacturers. So, you are calling them in general as Indian manufactures seems RACIST. Its bluntly clear that you are just here to insult those manufacturers craftsmanship by calling their work cheap. 

htdavid
IpswichMatt wrote:
htdavid wrote:

I have not read the 3 pages of this debate yet...

Oh you should. Get some popcorn, that has all the hallmarks of being a classic...

 

I just read them... well this topic went to crap really fast.

And it is a shame because there is some really interesting things to explore here.

For instance, I am aware that many sets are made in India, a whole lot in China too (though people from India seems to ignore this fact), Also there is some chess-makers in Japan, in Mexico, in Ecuador, in Brazil, in Spain, in France, in USA... I am listing top masters on the craft that I am aware off.

Anyway, most of the wood sets sold in US are made in India (though the guy from India decided that wood is not good for quality carving?)... as a matter of fact almost all the listed companies on the OP sell sets from this manufacturer:

https://in100430944.trustpass.alibaba.com/?spm=a2700.icbuShop.88.7.77ab252a1REnqu

Just look at their catalog and you can spot them there.

But then again... I say they are the manufacturers... they are not designers... you see? The Camaratta set was created by the man himself... not by some line of workers in some shop in India... The same way a building is created by the architect and not by the brick layers.

So, pointing out where the shop is, does not tell much anyway... Yes it is a shop with skillful carvers, but they are not designers... the same can be say about NOJ.

In that matter I think it is fair to compare NOJ with any other shop. and then we can talk about what is the best shop?

Now, if we are comparing designers...

I think Cammaratta is the most fruitful one alive. The full range of his designs, the variety of styles...

Then I think I will say Carl, his designs are mostly "repros" of historical designs, but his quality control and his pursue of excellence have really elevated the designs to a new level where one can actually argue that the repro is of better quality than the original.

Then I will say Izmet... there is only 1 design I have ever seeing from the guy... but the thing looks perfect... that is stage 1... the stage 2 was a step down, but kind of arguably that minimalism is not for everybody and some people do like some details... stage 3 is an abomination that needs to be taken to the back of the barn and shot.

There is also the oddballs, like Alan from chessspy, the guy can carve beautiful top quality sets himself, but that does not translate at all on getting a shop to even get close to his design. As we saw the dumpster on fire that was his take on the 1849 Staunton. Apparently being good at carving wood does not translate at all on being good at getting a shop to produce quality.

Mohan_Kumar_Chess

@MGT88
"Give us the link to granny’s 19k porcelain elephant collection"
This is the reason I called you cheapo. Don't try to hide the fact and accuse others.

Mohan_Kumar_Chess

@htdavid
Thats why I asked you to contact Camaratta why he was selling that disgusting Granny's porcelain "a dollar a set" for $19,900. I hope he will answer you.