FIDE Transgender Policies - Chess Forums - Page 2

AngryPuffer

Aug 17, 2023

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#21

they love the fruity people

kizzy_is_back

Aug 17, 2023

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#22

whisper2016 wrote:

kizzyisgay2 wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

kizzyisgay2 wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

ClearThoseFluffyCookies wrote:

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/international-chess-org-trans-women The FIDE says "Trans women have 'no right to compete' in the women's division. Unlike physical sports, there is no difference between the capabilities of someone born as either gender. These policies do not exist to better the game, nor in the name of fairness; these policies are made to alienate transgender people from participating in competitive chess.

imma give a serious answer

they are not real women, obviously. nobody's trying to ¨alienate¨ the wannabe community.

thats like me being on the red team in capture the flag, then suddenly identifying myself as the blue team so i can join them. not how it works lmao

‘Capture the flag’ is not the same as a person’s gender identity.

same idea

¨i dont want to be this so im going to try to be that because my feelings matter more¨

No, not the same idea. The only advantage that the blue team would have is that they have more players in their team, so are you saying that trans women shouldn’t be allowed to because there will be more women? Use real arguments : )

No, because trans women are still biologically male. You can't just let Larry Bird or Kobe into the WNBA, because that would make it completely unfair for biological women and make a mockery of fairness.

So, you’re saying men are better than women at chess??

AngryPuffer

Aug 17, 2023

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#23

kizzyisgay2 wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

kizzyisgay2 wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

kizzyisgay2 wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

ClearThoseFluffyCookies wrote:

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/international-chess-org-trans-women The FIDE says "Trans women have 'no right to compete' in the women's division. Unlike physical sports, there is no difference between the capabilities of someone born as either gender. These policies do not exist to better the game, nor in the name of fairness; these policies are made to alienate transgender people from participating in competitive chess.

imma give a serious answer

they are not real women, obviously. nobody's trying to ¨alienate¨ the wannabe community.

thats like me being on the red team in capture the flag, then suddenly identifying myself as the blue team so i can join them. not how it works lmao

‘Capture the flag’ is not the same as a person’s gender identity.

same idea

¨i dont want to be this so im going to try to be that because my feelings matter more¨

No, not the same idea. The only advantage that the blue team would have is that they have more players in their team, so are you saying that trans women shouldn’t be allowed to because there will be more women? Use real arguments : )

No, because trans women are still biologically male. You can't just let Larry Bird or Kobe into the WNBA, because that would make it completely unfair for biological women and make a mockery of fairness.

So, you’re saying men are better than women at chess??

proven fact

kizzy_is_back

Aug 17, 2023

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#24

Image description please

kizzy_is_back

Aug 17, 2023

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#25

AngryPuffer wrote:

kizzyisgay2 wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

kizzyisgay2 wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

kizzyisgay2 wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

ClearThoseFluffyCookies wrote:

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/international-chess-org-trans-women The FIDE says "Trans women have 'no right to compete' in the women's division. Unlike physical sports, there is no difference between the capabilities of someone born as either gender. These policies do not exist to better the game, nor in the name of fairness; these policies are made to alienate transgender people from participating in competitive chess.

imma give a serious answer

they are not real women, obviously. nobody's trying to ¨alienate¨ the wannabe community.

thats like me being on the red team in capture the flag, then suddenly identifying myself as the blue team so i can join them. not how it works lmao

‘Capture the flag’ is not the same as a person’s gender identity.

same idea

¨i dont want to be this so im going to try to be that because my feelings matter more¨

No, not the same idea. The only advantage that the blue team would have is that they have more players in their team, so are you saying that trans women shouldn’t be allowed to because there will be more women? Use real arguments : )

No, because trans women are still biologically male. You can't just let Larry Bird or Kobe into the WNBA, because that would make it completely unfair for biological women and make a mockery of fairness.

So, you’re saying men are better than women at chess??

proven fact

No, men are not better than women at chess, it seems like that because men play more chess, because back in the day women weren’t allowed to play chess. Still, even today, woman are discouraged from playing it due to misogynous and prejudiced views.

AngryPuffer

Aug 17, 2023

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#26

kizzyisgay2 wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

kizzyisgay2 wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

kizzyisgay2 wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

kizzyisgay2 wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

ClearThoseFluffyCookies wrote:

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/international-chess-org-trans-women The FIDE says "Trans women have 'no right to compete' in the women's division. Unlike physical sports, there is no difference between the capabilities of someone born as either gender. These policies do not exist to better the game, nor in the name of fairness; these policies are made to alienate transgender people from participating in competitive chess.

imma give a serious answer

they are not real women, obviously. nobody's trying to ¨alienate¨ the wannabe community.

thats like me being on the red team in capture the flag, then suddenly identifying myself as the blue team so i can join them. not how it works lmao

‘Capture the flag’ is not the same as a person’s gender identity.

same idea

¨i dont want to be this so im going to try to be that because my feelings matter more¨

No, not the same idea. The only advantage that the blue team would have is that they have more players in their team, so are you saying that trans women shouldn’t be allowed to because there will be more women? Use real arguments : )

No, because trans women are still biologically male. You can't just let Larry Bird or Kobe into the WNBA, because that would make it completely unfair for biological women and make a mockery of fairness.

So, you’re saying men are better than women at chess??

proven fact

No, men are not better than women at chess, it seems like that because men play more chess, because back in the day women weren’t allowed to play chess. Still, even today, woman are discouraged from playing it due to misogynous and prejudiced views.

so then why do men play better

AngryPuffer

Aug 17, 2023

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#27

she gave up

lonniespiel

Aug 17, 2023

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#28

There could be a whole load of reasons why men play better than women at the moment. I'd guess that one is the abuse, bullying and intimidation that women receive that make many give the game up. Who knows, if the chess environment was more inclusive and accommodating, we might see more women continuing in the game and some of them might become top players....

kizzy_is_back

Aug 17, 2023

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#29

whisper2016 wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

she gave up

Brave Sir Robin ran away

I do other things than be on chess.com all day

kizzy_is_back

Aug 17, 2023

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#30

lonniespiel wrote:

There could be a whole load of reasons why men play better than women at the moment. I'd guess that one is the abuse, bullying and intimidation that women receive that make many give the game up. Who knows, if the chess environment was more inclusive and accommodating, we might see more women continuing in the game and some of them might become top players....

This is my exact point. Literally all of the other women and I in my chess clubs were told that it wasn’t for girls and that we would be fat and unwanted if we didn’t do a real girl sport whilst all the men were called intelligent and smart for doing it. Many other women in chess I talked to had similar experiences and lots quit because of it.

lonniespiel

Aug 17, 2023

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#31

No one should be stigmatised for doing what they want or being who they want, as long as it doesn't adversely affect others.

We need more men to stand up to the injustices in the chess world

kizzy_is_back

Aug 17, 2023

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#32

Yeah, it’s really sad to see women who could’ve been great at chess and start a great career get shut down because it’s ‘not for girls’. There could’ve been a multitude of potential women grandmasters that got bullied into giving up when they first started.

SophiJ

Aug 18, 2023

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#33

jkurucar wrote:

Does my chess.com subscription support the FIDE organization? If so I'm out, disgusting policy.

Same this is horrendous bigotry on the part of FIDE.

Ilampozhil25

Aug 18, 2023

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#34

heres a potential logic, just putting it out there

one of the main reasons women are discouraged from playing chess (and why womens categories even exist) is because of s*xual harrassment

so maybe trans women might not have gone through that, so fide made this decision

and theres also the issue of people abusing this... maybe

not saying i agree with this logic, just saying it exists

lonniespiel

Aug 18, 2023

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#35

So the German Chess Federation just laid out their policy after FIDE's ruling.

MightierQ

Aug 18, 2023

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#36

Ilampozhil25 wrote:

heres a potential logic, just putting it out there

one of the main reasons women are discouraged from playing chess (and why womens categories even exist) is because of s*xual harrassment

so maybe trans women might not have gone through that, so fide made this decision

and theres also the issue of people abusing this... maybe

not saying i agree with this logic, just saying it exists

Trans women have typically experienced quite a lot of harassment in life related to their gender, and are sexually assaulted more often than cis women.
And people abusing it? I've always wondered about the logic. "Hey, I can wear a dress and a wig, and win a women's competition where I wouldn't have won as a man! Yay me!" Why would anyone be proud of winning a competition where they didn't truly feel like they were a candidate? Just because some loophole allows me to compete in a local under-10 tennis competition doesn't mean I want to beat a bunch of kids and be recognized as the best 10yo tennis player in my town.
Nevermind the fact that it's generally the men that are trying to keep trans women out of women's sports - most women don't care or welcome the trans women to their ranks. How about FIDE poll the top hundred (or better yet all) female players and get their feedback?

AngryPuffer

Aug 18, 2023

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#37

Ilampozhil25 wrote:

heres a potential logic, just putting it out there

one of the main reasons women are discouraged from playing chess (and why womens categories even exist) is because of s*xual harrassment

so maybe trans women might not have gone through that, so fide made this decision

and theres also the issue of people abusing this... maybe

not saying i agree with this logic, just saying it exists

trans women are not real women

AngryPuffer

Aug 18, 2023

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#38

Botvinnik_the_6th wrote:

whisper2016 wrote:

kizzyisgay2 wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

kizzyisgay2 wrote:

AngryPuffer wrote:

ClearThoseFluffyCookies wrote:

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/international-chess-org-trans-women The FIDE says "Trans women have 'no right to compete' in the women's division. Unlike physical sports, there is no difference between the capabilities of someone born as either gender. These policies do not exist to better the game, nor in the name of fairness; these policies are made to alienate transgender people from participating in competitive chess.

imma give a serious answer

they are not real women, obviously. nobody's trying to ¨alienate¨ the wannabe community.

thats like me being on the red team in capture the flag, then suddenly identifying myself as the blue team so i can join them. not how it works lmao

‘Capture the flag’ is not the same as a person’s gender identity.

same idea

¨i dont want to be this so im going to try to be that because my feelings matter more¨

No, not the same idea. The only advantage that the blue team would have is that they have more players in their team, so are you saying that trans women shouldn’t be allowed to because there will be more women? Use real arguments : )

No, because trans women are still biologically male. You can't just let Larry Bird or Kobe into the WNBA, because that would make it completely unfair for biological women and make a mockery of fairness.

Biological women have no disadvantage in chess.

male and female minds work differently. they do

Badchesserrr4486999

Aug 18, 2023

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#39

I dont like the LGBTQ+ since its annoying, But chess isn't a physical sport soo ig it wont matter in the end.

AngryPuffer

Aug 18, 2023

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#40

Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:

I dont like the LGBTQ+ since its annoying, But chess isn't a physical sport soo ig it wont matter in the end.

feels like they keep trying to force their agenda down our throats