1 e4 d5 2 anything other than exd5

i play 2. Nc3 all the time

vega,

And how many (including yourself) would find those moves behind the bord?

Even without improvement possible (and according to rule 4 I am not to tell it of course if there is :-))
it remains a very tricky game.

So far I have not lost with this line against 2000-2100 players and I loved the games.

And isn't that the essence of why we play? To enjoy the game?

I hate closed positions where I need to wait and wait until my opponent does make that tiny mistake, put a bit more pressure on the weak spots and , like a python, strangle my opponent in a slow death.

Besides, players with style will not like the Ziegler, will not find the line unless they are in a correspondence game and even then.

I've been playing around with 2. Nc3 and it seems quite viable.  If your oppenent pushes with d4 you can rearrange your knight to the kingside via e2.  You can later try to break down the center with c3, or if your opponent plays poorly you may get a kingside attack taking advantage of both knights being on the kingside.  This said I don't believe this line to pose any particular challenges to black.  After 2. Nc3 black is already essentially equal.  But it's playable and may get a closed game which a 1 e4 d5 player may not be wanting.  You are locking the center and taking a space disadvantage (if your opponent takes the invitation for d4), so be prepared to have to fight.

Vega is quoting the main line from Avruhk

i am only a very average player but on my level the outcome of this game is certainly not predicable.

And, wasnt it you Fiveofswords who said a few days ago " when after move 1 the result is clear, why should I start the game in the first place ?"
I totally agree with that and , until there will be a very simple refutation to the BDG, where second best moves for black still gives black great play, I will keep playing a great attacking BDG game whenever I get the chance!

Chivas,

 

I will follow 011's rules:

 

 

you are asking for rule number 3 and 4

 

After 4 .. Bf5!!!!

the best option for white is

5 g4 Bc8

6 g5 Ng8

7 f*e e6

white will need all the luck of the world to draw

In regard to the Tennyson gambit, I really am not certain how to play it so if someone could provide input, that'd be great. Also, how would one play 2. Nc3 against Scandinavian after 2. ... d4?

exd5 is the Scandinavian main line, but I hate it as white and love it as black.

Better for me:

I only play this stuff in blitz, so it's "prepared" sort of... but not very seriously hehe. Here's what I do anyway

 

I use to play 2.Nc3

However, I changed once I found a line I love better.

 

NOTHING!

2.exd5 Advantage White

2.Nc3 Equal at best

2.Anything Else Advantage Black

 

Plain and simple!  2.exd5 ONLY MOVE!

Like the fool that posted the Tennison Gambit?

 

1.e4 d5 2.Nf3? (forget dubious, it's just outright bad!) dxe4! 3.Ng5 e5!! 4.Ngxe4 f5!! 5.Ng3 Bc5!! -+

I used to play d3, but then I got bored. I used to be normal, but then I got bored too. All kinds of boring things lately.

_+ seems off, like .4 - .5 in blacks favor. And I prefer Nf6 as the last move. But yeah, black is MUCH better there

No doubt, that positional players in this range can score wonderfully with the Queens Gambit, but why do so much people doubt, that tactical players kareldevries or me, can also score wonderfully with the BDG?

It isnt a "must do" to play traditional standard openings...

5.g4 is not a good choice in this variation, 5.fxe4 is much better in my opinion, Black is under pressure from the beginning and has to play very carefully, otherwise he will get crushed.

I am not sure if you read what Kareldevries said.

Thus, I will post it below in green so you can see what he said.

No, that is not what I say. I say that , imho , lot of players would score better with BDG than the "traditional" openings.

^^ Mind you the ranking range he was using was 1400-2000 which is what he had stated previously.

The issue I have was with his assumption that players between 1400-2000 would score poorly vs the BDG.

What statistics is he using to support such a statement.

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Perhaps my English is bad but I have more the idea that you want to read what you want to read.

Asking for statistical proof in a post where I use imho is a bit strange.

 

I read everything you said.

You said an opinion nothing more!

Telling people in the range of 1400-2000 that they are better off with the BDG vs Traditional opening is a bit strange!

Everybody has a right to have an opinion. I didn't say it was a fact, I didn't say is was the one and only truth, I didn't force my opinion up to anyone or told you to have the same opinion.

So what is your problem with me having an opinion you don't agree ?

C3, answering to a joke with a joke. D3 instead of e4 obviously, but only Paul Morphy got it right.