1.e4 vs caro-kann

Smositional
kindaspongey wrote:
Smositional wrote:

... I think even if black sees this trick the position is still ok for white.

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nd7 5. Qe2 e6 ...

If I remember correctly, I saw 5...Ndf6 suggested somewhere.

That's another possibility. However I quite like white's position. 

It's not much but its something you can work with.

Smositional

I found a game with this line:

Incredible moves!

kindaspongey

My post was a respose to a post about 1 e4 c6 2 d4 etc. By the way, did anyone ever tell you that you look like a polar bear in a blizzard?

Smositional

Are you talking about me? 

kindaspongey
Smositional wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
Smositional wrote:

... I think even if black sees this trick the position is still ok for white.

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nd7 5. Qe2 e6 ...

If I remember correctly, I saw 5...Ndf6 suggested somewhere.

That's another possibility. However I quite like white's position. 

1. e4 c6 2 Nc3 ...

My post was a respose to post #7 about 1 e4 c6 2 d4 etc. By the way, did anyone ever tell you that you look like a polar bear in a blizzard?

Smositional

Oh, now I get it. You're talking about a different position. And no nobody told me this beforewink.png

JSLigon
FishEyedFools wrote:
JSLigon wrote:

I learned it from ChessExplained's repertoire on chessable "Keep it Simple: 1 e4". He recommends 9 Qf3 but mentions Bc4 as another possibility. What's surprising is how often Caro-Kann players don't know what to do against the Two Knights and play right into this (players at my level obviously, not talking about higher levels). I've gotten 3 easy wins in this line so far. They seem to think it's just like the Classical variation until Qh5 is played and then they realize there's a problem.

Love that site!

It has actually made studying openings bearable.

I remember buying a few opening books years ago, reading a little bit but never putting together a serious study plan, and then losing interest. With chessable I have a chance of learning something, because it's interactive. And it makes you review lines you've already been over which is key, and something I would tend to skip on my own.

drmrboss

Well, SF dont see any advantage in Caro Kann for white. That mean it is solid.

Opening lines are quite easy to choose thanks to powerful Stockfish.There is no single opening that SF played wrong and lose.

Smositional
drmrboss wrote:

Well, SF dont see any advantage in Caro Kann for white. That mean it is solid.

Opening lines are quite easy to choose thanks to powerful Stockfish.There is no single opening that SF played wrong and lose.

Why would we mere mortals care? For us a playable position with a slight advantage is all we need. Our opponents will make mistakes anyway.

Maxito12345
FishEyedFools wrote:
Maxito12345 wrote:

are their any traps or lines white can use against the caro-kann, to bring its players out of their preperation? Or at least some fun and active way of trying to deal with it. thx in advance

Your tactics rating is 704.  WHY are you asking about tricks, traps, and getting someone out of book?  

i know my tactics rating is low, but if i meet someone who is prepared and im not, than he probably will have the advantage. if none of us can use prep, then at least we have an equal playing field. If i have missed something glaringly obvious, please feel free to tell me, at the end of the day, i just want to improve happy.png

kindaspongey

Maybe it would be helpful to play over some of the sample games in the Caro-Kann chapter of My First Chess Opening Repertoire for White.
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9033.pdf

https://chessbookreviews.wordpress.com/tag/vincent-moret/

verylate

That, kindaspongey, was good advice

BonTheCat

Caro-Kann is quite simply a very good and solid opening, and also one which nearly always guarantees you an asymmetrical pawn structure (and therefore a lot to play for for both sides). As for a weapon against the CK, there's always the interesting Doomsday Varation: 1.e4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.Ne5!? The best set up for Black isn't very well known, and consequently most Black players allow a much improved version of the Rubinstein variation, giving White a rather nice bind: You play d4, f4, c3, Nd2-f3, Bd3, 0-0 (not necessarily in this specific move order) and so on preparing for an attack on the kingside.

Xbiker

Dice post. Hanks. Quite an interesting line

Spelenderwijs

Or you might want to give the Fantasy variation a try.