Well, you can't really get a Benko after 1. ... e6. The other problem is in tranposing to the French (I assume the French is your e4 opening). In a last round must-win game, for example, you might prefer to go straight into a Benoni rather than giving your opponent the extra option of an exchange French.
1...e6 Benoni problems?
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MrDodgy a écrit :
Well, you can't really get a Benko after 1. ... e6. The other problem is in tranposing to the French (I assume the French is your e4 opening). In a last round must-win game, for example, you might prefer to go straight into a Benoni rather than giving your opponent the extra option of an exchange French.
We said it a number a times here but french exchange is not drawish : black can create imbalance if (s)he knows his(her) stuff.
Some Benoni players use the Nimzo Indian move order : 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 (3.Nc3 Bb4) c5, and here with 1.d4 e6 2.c4 Nf6 we have the same position.
Of course white is not forced to push d5...
Another possibility is Blumenfeld gambit 1.d4 e6 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nf3 c5 4.d5 b5.
Feb 8, 2018
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Sure, but it's a different kind of game from a Benoni. Few d4 players play 2. e4 anyway, it's just worth being aware of your opponent's options. Sometimes you might want to give him the option of entering the French, sometimes you won't.
mr.dodgy,
You are right about not being able to enter the Benko. Like I said, I've just begun exploring the benoni... I actually don't normally play the French, but I sometimes get it when I try the Dutch and I get it a fair amount when people "decline" my Scandinavian with 2.e5 and I get an advanced French with a better early LSB. Maybe I ought to look into the French more.
Poucin, I've never looked into the Blumenfeld Gambit. I'll check it out!
kingkc21, That game is not a benoni. I guess I'm missing how it is relevant. Can you please elaborate?
Feb 8, 2018
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MrDodgy wrote:
Sure, but it's a different kind of game from a Benoni. Few d4 players play 2. e4 anyway, it's just worth being aware of your opponent's options. Sometimes you might want to give him the option of entering the French, sometimes you won't.
I guess I must be one of the "few" people! Actually, probably a lot of 2.Bg5 players will play 2.e4 against 1...e6.
You want a Dutch against me? You gotta do it on move 1 and deal with 2.Bg5. Otherwise, you are looking at a French or a Franco Benoni (1.d4 e6 2.e4 c5 3.d5! - White won't play c4 here - N will go to c3 next with or without a trade first on d5, which is Black's choice).
Yeah...there are transpositions problems with it. Not only the french, but also you'd have to deal with Colle/Barry/London/Stonewall in a less effective way. And the Catalan....and in return for that you'd be able to play the Dutch.
Actually what's funny is I've met 1 d4 with 1...e6 three times OTB, and all three games went 2 e4. To be fair, though, two of those games were against a Trompowsky player, and the other against a guy that normally plays 1 e4.
nighteyes1234 a écrit :
Yeah...there are transpositions problems with it. Not only the french, but also you'd have to deal with Colle/Barry/London/Stonewall in a less effective way. And the Catalan....and in return for that you'd be able to play the Dutch.
Less effective way?
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 (here 1.d4 e6 2.Nf3 Nf6 though 2...c5 is possible since white cannot push d5) is a major move order for black, effective against every white systems.
nighteyes1234 wrote:
Yeah...there are transpositions problems with it. Not only the french, but also you'd have to deal with Colle/Barry/London/Stonewall in a less effective way. And the Catalan....and in return for that you'd be able to play the Dutch.
good points. I guess there's really no way to force a benoni, but I'm also not super keen on learning additional 1d4...Nf6 openings in case white doesn't follow up with 2c4. Generally, my chess time does not revolve around openings. Hmm, I'll have to think about it more. Thanks.
poucin wrote:
Less effective way?
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 (here 1.d4 e6 2.Nf3 Nf6 though 2...c5 is possible since white cannot push d5) is a major move order for black, effective against every white systems.
I agree that you can play straight up against the London et al , but compared to others, e6 is the longer road vs d6 in 'those' games. I play e6 myself since I could care less about 'those' systems, but recommend d6 to those who lose to London et al. Then once they have the confidence, to take a look at e6....black will still survive the London cult and a knight on e5 is not the end of the world.
Hi,
I'm wondering if there is any particular problem with entering the Benoni via 1...e6. Against 1.d4 I typically play the Classical Dutch, and like GM Simon Williams recommends, I often enter it through 1...e6 to avoid certain anti-Dutch lines like the Hopton attack. Is there any Benoni-specific problem with doing this? I've just recently stared playing around with the Benoni/Benko Gambit, and thought that it might be good to have the same intial move, to use one defense or the other as a surprise, especially if I am playing OTB.
I appreciate any comments or advice, thanks!