1.e4 e5 2. Bc4 how to respond on that?
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2.Bc4 c6 is not terribly good due to 3.d4. A better move order is 2...Nf6 3.d3 c6, which is mighty good and reliable.
The plan pfren mentioned is simple and strong.
2...Nc6 and steer the game into more typical channels one would find with 2.Nf3 and 3.Bc4.
Qi1 wrote:
The plan pfren mentioned is simple and strong.
True, although it has a few subtle points. The most testing line is 6.Bd2 (instead of Carlsen's 6.c3 which is exactly what Black wants) Bxd2+ 7.Qxd2! with the caveman threat 8.Qg5.
Fridman failed to find the right answer against Karjakin, sacrificed a pawn with 7...0-0 and was grinded positionally. Stefanova fell into Hou Yifan preparation after 7...Qd6 8.Qg5 Nbd7 9.exd5 cxd5 10.Nh4! when white has the advantage.
The right move is 7...a5! 7.a4 Qd6, as played by GM Maxim Rodstein (IMO sacrificing the pawn now with 7...0-0 is also good, e.g. 8.cxd5 cxd5 9.Nxe5 Nc6! 10 d4 Qb6! when white cannot play c2-c3 because the b3 bishop is loose, and after 10.f4 Re8 Black gains the pawn back with an equal game). The point is that 8.Qg5 Nbd7 9.exd5 cxd5 10.Nh4? ala-Yifan is now bad due to 10...Qb4+.
Fiveofswords wrote:
GreenCastleBlock wrote:
2...Nf6 and 2...Nc6 are both quite reasonable.
2...Nc6 3.Nf3 would be an Italian, but as White could have more reliably reached the Italian another way, he'll more than likely play 3.Nc3 instead. Then Black can play 3...Bc5 or 3...Nf6. It's a matter of taste. On 3...Bc5, though, one should know how to meet 4.Qg4. In another thread on here I read someone suggest an intriguing gambit that doesn't look half bad
why 7 kd1?
A good question. 7.Bb3 is a flimsy defense of c2 due to ..d6 and ..Be6. 7.Bd3 might be all right, though, now that I look at it. Very few games in this line.
In case anyone else was looking for the game from #28, Black was Koneru actually. I will post it because it's a nice game:
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Dec 3, 2015
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#30
Since this thread has been revived, albeit by a now-deleted comment, I will chip in and, as others have, including players much stronger than I, endorse the line 2...Nf6 3.d3 (Black of course must be prepared for other moves) c6 for Black. Maybe I'm biased but it was with this line that I won a correspondence game in the mid-eighties to put me over 2000.
(The only other thing I remember about that game was that I analyzed the endgame about 15 moves out and wrote "and wins" in my notebook, the endgame proceeded precisely that way, and my opponent resigned at the exact point I'd written "and wins"!)
As for the opening variation itself, besides some of the ideas seen in the games posted featuring grandmasters/world-champions, sometimes depending on the move order and position, in response to Bg5 I've been able to play ...Qb6 for the advantage, something that 3...c6 enables besides just following up ...d5
I like 2. ...Bc5.
Dec 3, 2015
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#33
BelovedStalin wrote:
drawingdroidfish wrote:
BelovedStalin wrote:
Garbage.
Like your rating, American.
Based on ONE FRIGGIN GAME if you'd bother to check.
Dec 3, 2015
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#34
Pulpofeira wrote:
I like 2. ...Bc5.
Then I like 3.Nc3, and if 3...Nc6 (better is probably 3...Nf6), 4.Qg4
Dec 3, 2015
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#35
BelovedStalin wrote:
drawingdroidfish wrote:
BelovedStalin wrote:
drawingdroidfish wrote:
BelovedStalin wrote:
Garbage.
Like your rating, American.
Based on ONE FRIGGIN GAME if you'd bother to check.
No, in general, your rating is not that high, even if you "surf around" chess forum appearing to be a doctor at chess or something like that...; h6 is very natural to plan a solid defence, but, I am not gonna to enter in a theory's debate with you unless you explain what is wrong with you?
You make no sense, one's rating and one's comments on a forum are not related (and again, my rating is based on one game, a victory, though a very poor one at that), but you would bring it up again -- it does not detract from what I'm saying, if what I'm saying is correct.
2...h6 is an idiot's move, do we need pfren to come in here and tell you? He's an IM hopefully that's strong enough for you? Also its' an idiot's move after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4.
Probably the only move order where you will find it theoretically acceptable by move 4 or before in open game featuring Bc4 is after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d3 h6. And you don't have to take my word for it or "enter in a theory's debate with ME", you can just go look it up in any openings database.
BelovedStalin wrote:
; h6 is very natural to plan a solid defence...
Or, to prove you are a patzer... whatever comes second.
Dec 3, 2015
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#37
BelovedStalin wrote:
Yes, it makes sense. The rating is, at least, a proof about what are you talking about. Internet is a bank where lots of trolls and idiots talk about chess without having no ideas while consulting Wikipedia or some engine to analyse a determined position and saying: oh, yes, yes..., full garbage, but not understanding anything.
"Every Russian schoolboy knows" you don't waste precious tempi with needless pawn moves as black in the open game.
So that apparently makes you a pre-schooler.
Even a Grandmaster played crap like that as Black- albeit usually under the move order 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 h6. Luckily for him, and most probably for us as well, Pavel (Blatny) gave up professional chess in favour of poker some fifteen years ago.
Dec 3, 2015
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#39
BelovedStalin wrote:
Oh..., so cute. At least, now we know why you are in those IMs that talk about theory like GMs but, do not reach +2,400 FIDE rating (like normal IMs do).
Congratulations, you have just won the Troll of the Day (TOTD) award . Quite an accomplishment on chess.com! Don't worry, we are working on a troll-rating system, since you are so obsessed.