1.e4 e5 2. Bc4 how to respond on that?

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drawingdroidfish
JMB2010 wrote:

I actually remember analyzing 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 h6 and concluding that the stats were misleading and that it's not that terrible for black.

"not that terrible" is far from a ringing endorsement.  Doesn't White just blast the center open with 4.d4 (or maybe after castling)  That's always why 4...h6 has seemed more playable to me after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d3 -- White has already spent a tempo moving the d-pawn one square.

drawingdroidfish
BelovedStalin wrote:
it would be enough to

b) Avoid cheating.

Go do yourself

blitzcopter

I'm not sure how much this has been mentioned but 3...c6 (after 1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Nf6 3. d3) is definitely the critical test. White has a pretty straightforward plan of playing f4 and developing everything behind that, unless Black can counter well with ...d5. It seems more advantageous than many people are willing to believe.

Other possibilities are 3...d5 (works out badly tactically) and 2...c6 where White has the option of an immediate d4 since Black can't play ...Nc6.

drawingdroidfish
BelovedStalin wrote:

@Drawingdroidfish: Indeed, but you know it is correct. It does not make sense you come here like a chess doctor, but, do not want to play a simple -even unrated- blitz games, showing me, not your skills at middle game or endgame, just, your opening knowledge...; I am not gonna to play anyone more than 3/0 not being the subject a master or, OTB; like you can use database to give yourself a "fake chess knowledge", those can be used either in slow games through here.

You don't need to be a "chess doctor" to know that 2...h6 is garbage.  You never challenged me to any un-rated games previous to this.  And I don't and won't play 3/0 and anyway it would not prove anything at all about the worthiness of 2...h6.  An engines-on correspondence game is another matter though, and I don't care if you deride it as "fake chess knowledge" or whatever, on FICGS I'm coming up with novelties that will probably be used by strong masters when the games make it into chessbase (and BTW, I already have games there).

But I'm sure you have some of your victories with 2...h6 in chessbase, right?

bluedogva

I think I am the recipient of some cheating . I don't know how but If you can bother to take a look at my last game - with a 1:09 left for my opponent and something over 10.00 for me the game came crashing down. I was clearly in line for a win - but the board showed no movement at all. As soon as I touched something that I thought would fix the situation, I was asked whether I would like to review the the game in archives. There - I saw that my opponent had made a move which not never came up on my screen. I was declared the loser of the game because

I abandoned the game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Not true

drawingdroidfish
bluedogva wrote:

I think I am the recipient of some cheating . I don't know how but If you can bother to take a look at my last game - with a 1:09 left for my opponent and something over 10.00 for me the game came crashing down. I was clearly in line for a win - but the board showed no movement at all. As soon as I touched something that I thought would fix the situation, I was asked whether I would like to review the the game in archives. There - I saw that my opponent had made a move which not never came up on my screen. I was declared the loser of the game because

I abandoned the game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Not true

Yes, of course, this is cheating (this should be more fun than responding to belovedstalin)

dpnorman

Develop a knight. Either knight is fine, allowing various transpositions.

BigManArkhangelsk

Just play the karo cann

ChessOfPlayer
dpnorman wrote:

Develop a knight. Either knight is fine, allowing various transpositions.

Simply answered.  Case closed.

kindaspongey
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kindaspongey

Possibly helpful:

Beating the open games, Mihail Marin

https://web.archive.org/web/20140626195205/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen102.pdf

Open-Games-Black-Igor-Lysyj

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627104938/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen159.pdf

Play the Open Games as Black by John Emms

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627022601/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen11.txt

Bologan's Black Weapons in the Open Games

http://www.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Bologans-Black-Weapons-in-the-Open-Games-76p3873.htm

Starting Out: Open Games by GM Glenn Flear (2010)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140626232452/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen134.pdf

Play 1 e4 e5! by Nigel Davies (2006)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140626201436/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen80.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627083715/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen98.pdf

The Kaufman Repertoire for Black & White by Larry Kaufman (2012)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140626221508/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen162.pdf

Opening Repertoire: The Open Games with Black by Martin Lokander (2015)

lolurspammed

Who cares if white plays bg5? This isn't at all threatening to black.

lolurspammed

I'm saying 2..h6 is ridiculous

lolurspammed

You can play 1.h4 2.a4 in bullet and get away with it. I'm sure h6 is fine in such short time controls, but not when the opponent has time to strategize.

DRAWING_DR0IDFISH
BelovedStalin wrote:1. e4e52. Bc4h6Here, h6 is a solid move.

2...h6 is a solid move like fecal matter is solid compared to urine being liquid.  You know what they say though, it's better to be pissed off, than pissed on.

X_PLAYER_J_X
pfren wrote:

Hopeless case... a new x_patzer_x is born.

Still jealous at the fact you do not have my creativity on the chess board!

HA HA

It looks to me as if you have already taken BelovedStalin under your wing Pfren.

BelovedStalin is playing your type of moves.

The solid move 2...h6!!

They always say the chess pupil doesn't fall far from the chess masters tree.

People on this chess forum would love to hear about the Pfren Variation in the Bishop's Opening.

What does the powerful move 2...h6 do in the Pfren Variation?

Well his student already gave most of its functions.

It controls the very important g5 square which prevents any Bishop or Knight from landing on g5.

and

It gives luft to the king for the endgame.

lolurspammed

Stop with the baseless cheating accusations.

H6 isn't a weakness, the reason it's a bad move is because black is already behind a move and wasting another one isn't doing him any favors.

blitzcopter

So I'm just going to tell you, that kind of logic will not help you get to GM.

Just in case you were wondering.

RubiksRevenge

Quite good to know about the 2..Nf6 and if 3.d3 then 3..c6. Some Bishop opening players choose it to avoid the Petroff defence and hope to trick black players into 2 knights defence or an Italian game. 

lolurspammed

RouteToGM proof that he's cheating??