Maybe Nc6 is interesting for black?
1.e4 e5 2.c3 - Interesting?
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Dec 8, 2014
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#24
I don't like the continuation in the first diagram. I think that 3... Nc6 is not a good move for black. I would play 3... Bc5 to put pressure on d4 or play d5 to put another time pressure on e4, which can not be defended with the natural move Nc3.
My first move would be 3... Bc5. After 1.e4 e5 2.c3 Nf6 3.Qc2 Bc5 I would expect white to play 4.Nf3 d6 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Bb6 7.Bg5 h6 8.Bh4 I think that black has equalized already.
Yet, I would prefer to play 3... d5, because after 1.e4 e5 2.c3 Nf6 3.Qc2 d5 4.d3 is 4... Bc5 imho a good move. The previous line is now less strong than in this variation, because black can retreat its bishop to e7. I would expect 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bh4 as the next three half moves. Then would I probably plan to play Be6 and Nbd7.
Dec 8, 2014
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#25
LoekBergman wrote:
I don't like the continuation in the first diagram. I think that 3... Nc6 is not a good move for black. I would play 3... Bc5 to put pressure on d4 or play d5 to put another time pressure on e4, which can not be defended with the natural move Nc3.
My first move would be 3... Bc5. After 1.e4 e5 2.c3 Nf6 3.Qc2 Bc5 I would expect white to play 4.Nf3 d6 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Bb6 7.Bg5 h6 8.Bh4 I think that black has equalized already.
Yet, I would prefer to play 3... d5, because after 1.e4 e5 2.c3 Nf6 3.Qc2 d5 4.d3 is 4... Bc5 imho a good move. The previous line is now less strong than in this variation, because black can retreat its bishop to e7. I would expect 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bh4 as the next three half moves. Then would I probably plan to play Be6 and Nbd7.
That is exactly what I was saying: The positions after 2...Nc6 are preferable for white. Also, instead of 3.Qc2, maybe d3 is playable (as in my analysis)?
Robert0905 wrote:
Having trouble quoting your line in post 16. It's a direct transposition to an old refuted line of the Ponziani.
Just watched a video that says c3 is not aa good move for white
Dec 9, 2014
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#28
shuttlelax wrote:
Just watched a video that says c3 is not aa good move for white
can you show why it is not a good move?
Robert0905 wrote:
But I think white can still play that:
See Post 26
Dec 9, 2014
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#33
tmkroll wrote:
Robert0905 wrote:
Having trouble quoting your line in post 16. It's a direct transposition to an old refuted line of the Ponziani.
Emms doesn't consider 10. Bb5. Black still seems a lot better after 10... Nf6, however 10. Qc4 seems closer to even. In any event if this happens White's opening has not been a success.
2. c3 is too easily countered by 2... d5
You can't protect the pawn on e4 with Nc3, so you are already forced to exchange in the center with 3. exd5 Qxd5 (which you can't chase away so easily) or you have to play ultra-passive with 3. d3 which defeats the original purpose of 2. c3
Dec 10, 2014
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#36
imirak wrote:
2. c3 is too easily countered by 2... d5
You can't protect the pawn on e4 with Nc3, so you are already forced to exchange in the center with 3. exd5 Qxd5 (which you can't chase away so easily) or you have to play ultra-passive with 3. d3 which defeats the original purpose of 2. c3
Dec 10, 2014
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#37
imirak wrote:
2. c3 is too easily countered by 2... d5
You can't protect the pawn on e4 with Nc3, so you are already forced to exchange in the center with 3. exd5 Qxd5 (which you can't chase away so easily) or you have to play ultra-passive with 3. d3 which defeats the original purpose of 2. c3
While there's nothing wrong with the Ponziani as Black, after 3. Nf3 Black can just play dxe4 and be possibly a tiny bit better after Nxe5 Bd6... it looks like an Elephant Gambit where Black hasn't given up a pawn. Qa4+ doesn't work there (I already posted this analysis next to the Emms Ponziani analysis above.)
Dec 10, 2014
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#39
tmkroll wrote:
While there's nothing wrong with the Ponziani as Black, after 3. Nf3 Black can just play dxe4 and be possibly a tiny bit better after Nxe5 Bd6... it looks like an Elephant Gambit where Black hasn't given up a pawn. Qa4+ doesn't work there (I already posted this analysis next to the Emms Ponziani analysis above.)
2.c3 is probably equal like someone said earlier... so IMO no problems, play it if you like the positions!
3rd diagram reminds me of ponzioni type stuff. Those positions I'm not as comfortable in, but I'm sure they're very playable.
As I said, I do not have any interest in playing the opening. All I wanted to do was discuss the opening, and keep the discussion gojng for as long as possible.