Optimissed wrote:
The O.P. and I are playing an important test game, upon the result of which the future of the Sicilian will depend!
Yes great post. Our game will be posted on this thread and analyzed for many years and generations to come
A Bust to the Sicilian Defense
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Dec 11, 2018
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#743
TheGucciSlide wrote:
The Sicilian is bad. My friend always plays it and then I play Alapin and gain control of the center.
Yes great post. Not only does the Alapin give white complete control of the center but also does so with greater development
Dec 11, 2018
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#744
kindaspongey wrote:
"Objectively, the Alapin System is not that dangerous for Black. ..." - GM Mikhail Golubev (2017)
Clearly Golubev doesn’t know what he’s talking about. No one calls it the Alapin system. He’s lost all credibility in my eyes
Dec 11, 2018
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#745
I'm sure all the Grandmasters in the world who have struggled against it are so glad you could see much better than them how to destroy the Sicilian!
Actually, your statement that "The opening move of the Sicilian Defense violates just about every opening principle" indicates you need to study opening principles a little deeper. 1...c5 controls d4 as does ...Nc6. You don't have to put a Pawn in the Center to contest of control the center.
What makes you think you can understand weaknesses of the Sicilian better than Grandmasters who sometimes spend several hours per day for months studying it?
Actually, I thought that the Dunning-Kruger effect is demonstrated most by people who accuse others of displaying the Dunning-Kruger effect . I always thought it's just an indication of people who try to put others down for being less intelligent/knowledgeable than they are. 
staples13 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
The O.P. and I are playing an important test game, upon the result of which the future of the Sicilian will depend!
Yes great post. Our game will be posted on this thread and analyzed for many years and generations to come
I'm sure it will, although I have to admit that having reached move 12 and having been making it up as I go along, I now haven't the faintest of what to do next and so my moves will simply depend on what you do and upon whatever comes into my head by chance. In practice, otb in club matches and so on. I feel that black has a bit of an advantage in the Alapin because many who play it do seem to think that white is automatically better and whilst that may be the case, most players of the white side I play against (that is, below 2200 fide) aren't too clear about what to do as white. I tend to find I only lose in the Alapin if I've made an obvious mistake. Nevertheless, even notwithstanding my obvious deficiencies at chess, it's clear that the world's super-GMs are bound to be queuing up to dissect and analyse our game, even for centuries to come.
By the way, I do agree that 1. ...c5 defies opening principles somewhat; the result being that black falls behind in development. Nevertheless, it's then up to white to set the pace and determine the form the game will take. Black then reacts to that and, in practice, has a solid structure of pawns together with opportunities to develop his pieces effectively. It's just a bit difficult knowing how but the problems are just as great for the white side and black should equalise in the Alapin.
1e41-0 wrote:
.... And it is also worse. You have absolutely no respect for the dark squares.
c4 is more explosive than c3.
staples13 wrote:
HEY! I just sent you a challenge where you can demonstrate just how bad (sorry, GOOD) your Alapin is.
In my opinion the Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force.
The opening move of the Sicilian Defense violates just about every opening principle. It fails to develop a piece, fails to put a pawn in the center, and fails to open up a bishop for development. It allows white to immediately open up the center and to do so with greater development. The Sicilian Defense has nevertheless remained popular despite all of this for one reason and one reason only; in order for white to open up the center it comes at the cost of having to trade its D pawn for black's C pawn. This is why the ideal response to the Sicilian is the Alapin Variation 2. C3! It says to black no you can't have my center pawn. Now white is ahead in both development and control of the center , and black has absolutely no compensation.
You don't believe me? Look at the game explorer then. I have played 581 games here on chess.com using the Alapin. I have won 68% lost 26% and drawn the other 6%. That is a score of 71%. No other opening is capable of scoring 71%. But to prove all this let's look at some games. First, we have a 3 minute no increment blitz game I played. Look at the massive advantage white immediately gets both in piece development and in center control. Both are problems which stem from black's first move.
Here's another 3 minute no increment blitz game I played. Notice how easy white's development is and how black's position is already completely unplayable by move 10.
Finally, I'm sure you want to see a master level game so here we have Deep Blue vs. Kasparov (1996). For a little historical context this was the first match between them and Kasparov annihilated Deep Blue +3 -1=2. Deep Blue's lone victory came as you might guess playing the Alapin Variation. Kasparov faced a horrible position straight out of the opening and Deep Blue wasted no time converting it. Notice that the most powerful chess player of all time got destroyed playing against a computer much weaker than him.
After 2. C3 black is in my opinion lost. White refuses to allow black to exchange its c pawn for white's d pawn giving black no compensation for white's lead in development and center control, which ultimately always proves decisive in the end.
I'd like to close by saying that of course black can always play differently than in the games shown, in which case he merely loses differently.
Dec 14, 2018
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#750
I accepted your challenge tremanisunchild. It looks like you have the white pieces though
I'll play the Open Sicilian
Dec 15, 2018
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#752
TremaniSunChild wrote:
I'll play the Open Sicilian
Why not try the Alapin?
Dec 15, 2018
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#753
fairytalebeast wrote:
you guys still talking about this!? the alapin is awkward and somewhat annoying but the smith morra is tougher to play against
The Smith-Morra gambit is good but inaccurate because it gives black drawing chances. Black receives a pawn in compensation while in the Alapin black has no compensation for his lack of center control and devleopment
"Objectively, the Alapin System is not that dangerous for Black. ..." - GM Mikhail Golubev (2017)
Dec 15, 2018
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#755
kindaspongey wrote:
"Objectively, the Alapin System is not that dangerous for Black. ..." - GM Mikhail Golubev (2017)
“Everyone you’ll ever meet knows something you don’t”- Albert Einstein
Golubev is a stronger player than me but he doesn’t beat have my expertise in the Alapin. Thus I suggest you defer to my expertise on the subject.
"Objectively, the Alapin System is not that dangerous for Black. ..." - GM Mikhail Golubev (2017)
"... Golubev is a stronger player than me but he doesn’t beat have my expertise in the Alapin. Thus I suggest you defer to my expertise on the subject." - staples13 (today)
staples13 wrote (November 8, 2018):
littlesoldier123 wrote:
By the way how would you explain your results against 1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 ? You scored roughly half-half against this line, but you claim that 2... Nf6 is winning for white.
https://www.chess.com/explorer?moveList=e4+c5+c3+Nf6+e5+Nd5&ply=6&gameSource=other&gameType=all&color=white&username=staples13&origMoves=e4+e5+Nf3+Nc6+Bc4+Nf6+Ng5
Just because I’m a moron who frequently blunders winning positions in the 2. Nf6 line doesn’t change the fact that it’s winning
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i say: the OP is correct... the Sicilian has been refuted
staples13 wrote:
Because the Alapin is not my cup of tea
TremaniSunChild wrote:
I'll play the Open Sicilian
Why not try the Alapin?
"Objectively, the Alapin System is not that dangerous for Black. ..." - GM Mikhail Golubev (2017)