A Bust to the Sicilian Defense

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staples13

Poor Kasparov. Deep Blue’s Alapin forced him into retirement 

staples13

I don’t play a ton of chess these days. I prefer to share my knowledge of the Alapin instead 

staples13
staples13 wrote:

I don’t play a ton of chess these days. I prefer to share my knowledge of the Alapin instead 

Sometimes I like to share my knowledge of the Alapin by destroying a foolish Sicilian player though 

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

I highly respect your skill when washing the dishes, but hardly something more than that.

Ohh ?.....then I'd have ur supper ready on a paper plate w/ a plastic fork !

staples13
minatomirai21 wrote:

It's not a bust to the Sicilian I play it my self as black and m y results are good so that means it's not a bust to the Sicilian!

 

 

Hmmm. Interesting. It’s rare to find someone who plays the Alapin both as white and black. 

 

Out of curiousity do you score better as white or as as black when playing the Alapin

staples13

Here's my most recent game. A 2 minute 1 second increment bullet game in the 2. Nf6 Alapin

staples13
Ladies and Gentleman, fellow chess enthusiasts, when they write the story of the greatest chess games ever played this one has to rank near the top. I am not worthy of analyzing such a brilliant game by such a brilliant player, so instead I will let you enjoy it without comment. I present to you, the legend himself, the greatest opening theoretician who ever lived: Semyon Alapin.
 

 

kindaspongey
staples13 wrote:

Poor Kasparov. Deep Blue’s Alapin forced him into retirement 

Kasparov retired in 1996?

http://www.chessgames.com/player/garry_kasparov.html

kindaspongey
staples13 wrote:

… 1. e4 c5? 2. c3! Nf6! {Thank you to my opponent for choosing this line as I know you all have been eager to see more 2. Nf6 games.} 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 cxd4 5. cxd4 a6 … Here's my most recent game. A 2 minute 1 second increment bullet game in the 2. Nf6 Alapin

What if 5...d6 ?

kindaspongey
staples13 wrote:
... when they write the story of the greatest chess games ever played this one has to rank near the top. I am not worthy of analyzing such a brilliant game by such a brilliant player, so instead I will let you enjoy it without comment. … 1. e4 c5 2. c3 e6 3. d4 d5 4. exd5 exd5 5. Nf3 Nf6 ...

Any idea for what to do after 5...Nc6 ?

ChessProMasterGZ

Can you post a rapid game?

kindaspongey
staples13 wrote (~24 days ago):
ChessProMasterGZ wrote:
staples13 wrote:

Here’s my most recent 1 minute no increment game. Black foolishly tried the Sicilian and as always white’s superior development and center control led to an unstoppable attack on the black king. 

Are you serious?! It’s bullet! Why are you taking you best bullet games to counter our rapid games???

I only play blitz and bullet so that’s all I can post. I’d be very willing to post my rapid games if I played any, which I don’t 

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-bust-to-the-sicilian-defense?quote_id=43948480&page=69

El_Chapeau12
staples13 wrote:

Here's my most recent game. A 2 minute 1 second increment bullet game in the 2. Nf6 Alapin

In the comments to this game, you said "black has played only sensible moves after 1...c5 but this is of course not true:

 

El_Chapeau12
pfren wrote:

This rather uninspiring game was played a few minutes ago. Apparently both these 2700++ players have no idea about what the clown that opened this thread knows about the Alapin.

 

 

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El_Chapeau12
staples13 wrote:

I’ll give everyone a short recap of what we’ve learned so far. 

1.)The Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force to 2. c3

2.) Black’s best chance at counterplay is to play 2. d5 or Nf6. With best play Black is still lost even after these moves though. 

3. Black’s best chance to try to play solidly and draw is by trying to transpose into a French Defense. Black can’t quite achieve this, but it’s probably the best try. 

4. All other moves lose pretty much immediately for black due to white’s superior piece development and center control. 

Argument 1) is not backed up enough

Argument 2) The First part is true, but you never came actually close to refuting 2...Nf6 which would be a good start to pretending you've refuted the Sicilian; What you've managed to achieve is to get a -0.50 position after 10 moves(Thanks to @drmrboss for playing Stockfish's moves):

3) If your this argument and the last one were true, that would be a contradiction. However, this can be no misunderstanding as they are both(only partly for the 2) )false. How can you prevent black from reaching a good french ?
4)Of course some other moves are fine too ! Here are some of them :

 

 

staples13
pfren wrote:

This rather uninspiring game was played a few minutes ago. Apparently both these 2700++ players have no idea about what the clown who opened this thread knows on the Alapin.

 

 

I’m torn as to whether or not the Delayed Alapin is a wise course of action. On one hand it usually provokes the move 2.d6 which is pretty useless in most Alapin lines, but at the same time I think it’s probably just better to not waste any time  and immediately play 2. c3

kindaspongey
staples13 wrote (September 9, 2018):

I’ll give everyone a short recap of what we’ve learned so far.

1.)The Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force to 2. c3 ...

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-bust-to-the-sicilian-defense?page=7

"... U showed your own analysis, with some nonsense and bad moves from black which don't prove anything.

U just proved u lack some objectivity and skill to assess moves/positions." - IM pouncin (September 26, 2018)

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-bust-to-the-sicilian-defense?page=12

“Both 2...Nf6 and 2...d5 are fine against the Alapin, and some players may also like 2...e6 or 2...g6.“ - IM pfren (September 4, 2018)

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-bust-to-the-sicilian-defense?page=6

kindaspongey
staples13 wrote:

… I’m torn as to whether or not the Delayed Alapin is a wise course of action. On one hand it usually provokes the move 2.d6 which is pretty useless in most Alapin lines, but at the same time I think it’s probably just better to not waste any time  and immediately play 2. c3

What would be your suggestion for how to react to 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 c3 Nf6 ?

staples13
kindaspongey wrote:
staples13 wrote:

… I’m torn as to whether or not the Delayed Alapin is a wise course of action. On one hand it usually provokes the move 2.d6 which is pretty useless in most Alapin lines, but at the same time I think it’s probably just better to not waste any time  and immediately play 2. c3

What would be your suggestion for how to react to 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 c3 Nf6 ?

I think 4. e5 is pretty much forced 

kindaspongey
staples13 wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
staples13 wrote:

… the Delayed Alapin ... usually provokes the move 2.d6 which is pretty useless in most Alapin lines, ...

What would be your suggestion for how to react to 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 c3 Nf6 ?

I think 4. e5 is pretty much forced 

What happens after 4...dxe5 ?