A general Study on the King's Gambit

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December_TwentyNine
Optimissed wrote:

White must be crazy to play the King's gambit to avoid a Petrov. No-one heard of the Cochrane Gambit? Or just the standard lines of the Petrov give a great position for white with subtle pressure.

I heard my 1800 rated friend mention that before, but don't know the lines to it.

pfren
melvinbluestone wrote:

I see your point. It's also possible Tal thought such a speculative opening was worth a shot against his younger opponent. Miroljub would have beeb about 16 at the time. I was unable to find out if Miroljub is any relation to Petar, though they're both Yugslavian (Serbian today for Miroljub).

I thought maybe Tal's 2.f4 was a mouse-slip. But of course, it's 1963, and the only mice back then were the little furry rodents, and that guy running Disneyland, Mickey.

I found tournament details in my database. Indeed he was GM Petar Trifunovic, who drew all his games as Black, excluding the game against Tal, which he won. With white he had seven draws, two wins, and one loss (against tournament winner Viktor Korchnoi).

Ben_Dubuque

1963 would that happen to be the same tournoment that Nezhmetdinov took 2nd in???

 

need to do some research

clunney

Be sure to mention in your part about the Fischer Defense that the best line against it is 4. d4 g5 5. g3! :D THE QUAADE LIVES.

Ben_Dubuque
clunney wrote:

Be sure to mention in your part about the Fischer Defense that the best line against it is 4. d4 g5 5. g3! :D THE QUAADE LIVES.

this is some old stuff, need to update it a bit.

pfren
jetfighter13 wrote:

1963 would that happen to be the same tournoment that Nezhmetdinov took 2nd in???

 

need to do some research

Nope, it wasn't.

Ben_Dubuque
pfren wrote:
jetfighter13 wrote:

1963 would that happen to be the same tournoment that Nezhmetdinov took 2nd in???

 

need to do some research

Nope, it wasn't.

yeah I checked right after I wrote that... my mistake.

pfren

Petar Trifunovic was a great player and an excellent tactician, but in his late career, when he was involved in professional chess training (he used to be trainer of the Greek National team for  a few years) he lost a lot of his fighting spirit, and agreed plenty of short draws.

Ben_Dubuque

that is sad pfren, it seemed he got it back before the moscow blitz the year he died.

AKJett

Sorry to spam the thread but what do you think of 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 f5? (trying to play a revrsed king's gambit) It is at least better than the latvian. Does it have a name, has it been played and what's the best line 4 white?

Ben_Dubuque

Ummmmmmmm it ain't spam its a good question, I think after ex d5 black should have some play, an alternative to d5 could be Nf6 which would make e4 possible to prevent Nf3

AKJett
Ben_Dubuque

OK d5 might not be good, but the line with 4...e4 looks pretty good to me

AKJett

Yeah, and as I saw pfren coming by this thread, I wonder...

Ben_Dubuque

Often is always good for a sobering comment regardless of tone

pfren

3.ef5, 3.Bc4 3.Nf3 are all fine for white. I fail to see what's good about that 2...f5, since Black barely manages to develop (let alone occupying the center) in return.

AKJett

Yep my try would be 3.Nf3 fxe4 4.Nxe4 if I was white. On the contrary, 3.ef5 Nf6 4.Nf3 e4 5.Ng5 d5 doesn't look like white advantage

pfren
Roeczak wrote:

Yep my try would be 3.Nf3 fxe4 4.Nxe4 if I was white. On the contrary, 3.ef5 Nf6 4.Nf3 e4 5.Ng5 d5 doesn't look like white advantage

You mean, white has no advantage after 3.ef5 Nf6 4.Nf3 e4 5.Ng5 d5? I agree 100% - white has no advantage, he is simply winning after 6.d3. Only 6...e3 could prolong the game for a while.

To me every reasonable fourth move (4.Nf3, 4.g4, 4.Be2 etc) looks like a clear advantage. Probably 4.g4, since the extra move Nc3 is very useful in any of the possible (reversed) king's gambit variations.

Ben_Dubuque

Yes that is the reason most attempts don't work very well

AKJett


Yep it looks like pfren's idea 6.d3! busts this gambit. Case closed.

Returning to the King's Gambit, is 2...Bc5 unsound or something? I've seen it get played a lot on the lower levels?