A new variation I have found to an annoying line!

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Nytik

Read my post on the previous page (#20) in case you missed it.

chessman_calum

anyone for analysis on that?

Derrida

Personally, I wouldn't play these lines. I suggest 3...Qe7 instead of 3...g6, which I believe equalizes immediately. After 3... g6 4. Qf3 I would play the simple and straightforward 4...Nf6.

Nytik

If you are referring to 10... Ne7, it simply doesn't doing anything (except defend the pawn!) Natural development, e.g. 11. Nc3, leaves white with a better position and an extra pawn to boot.

Nytik

For the record, I agree with Derrida. Wink

chessman_calum

Alright, so Bd6 doesn't work.

andmark

I can't help but think 10. d4  is better than 10. dxe4. because then the e4 pawn is pretty much certain to fall sooner than later. Black could lose the mobility of his Bishop, if he continues to defend the e4 pawn.

Nytik

Hypertroll would appear to be correct, and if he is right, 5... Nd4 voids all of the analysis done thus far! Wink

The question is, does 5... Nd4 leave black with an advantage, and if so, does white have any better options than 5. exf5 ? These are the queries I believe this thread must now answer.

Nytik

Either way, I think (as Derrida mentioned earlier) 3... Qe7 is probably stronger than 3... g6 anyway and almost certainly equalises instantly. So, chessman_calum, the conclusion we can draw from this thread seems to be, stick to 3... Qe7. Wink

chessman_calum

But, in tournament play or something, is white really likely to play Nd2? Maybe after full analysis, but by instinct I would presume it would be 5. exf5. I still think it is playable, lets continue analysing exf5 :D

chessman_calum

lol, I want to play f5 though!

Tricklev

f5 sucks, stick to 2... Nf6 if you really want a gambit.

 

I know I´m repeating myself but there really isn´t any point in blacks pawn sac in the f5 lines.

chessman_calum

take black out of book

Tricklev

Giving the opponent a great position is somewhat of a lousy way to take him out of the book, don´t you think? Smile

chessman_calum

I have run it through fritz, A few lines, I've faulted on, and a few, other people have faulted on.

Nytik

RR: Because it would take forever to analyse an opening using an engine unless you yourself are a particularly strong player who could assist the computer?

Derrida

While I appreciate your efforts to come up with new opening ideas, it seems somewhat pointless to construct a specialized system to counter a move you will probably never see in high-level play.

Taking your opponent out of book in the opening is of course a good idea, but not at the cost of a clearly inferior position, in which it will probably be easy for the other player to find good moves.

Also, since you answer 1. e4 with 1...e5, you are probably familiar with a great variety of typical position arising in open games.

That is why I suggested those lines: to transpose into a postion you are more or less familiar with and which is at least equal for black.

chessman_calum

rich, game explorer gives white 100% on that!

Tricklev

Rich moves is probably the second worst move possible there, loosing only to the even worse Ke7.

chessman_calum
RainbowRising wrote:
Tricklev wrote:

Rich moves is probably the second worst move possible there, loosing only to the even worse Ke7.


Id say Qg5 and Qh4 were worse!


 I wouldn't :P