A power strike for Caro-kann

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I like watching GothamChess. Levi is great! It's a good video also!

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The caro kann is a bit boring for my taste. If white does not do everything in his power to make a fun game, there will not be one.

Its annoyingly good however.

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Good. Gotham chess isgood

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caro-kann = all pawns and no hope

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Caro-Kann't

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Engine hates 18. Nxc3?? but what stockfish fails to see is that Black's only attacking idea is now in tatters, and his King has nowhere safe to hide. 2 pawns for the piece and threat removal? I'll take it all day long thank you.

26. Bxg5!! seals the deal. Nothing good can come for Black after that.

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Random_Carnage wrote:

Engine hates 18. Nxc3?? but what stockfish fails to see is that Black's only attacking idea is now in tatters

Is it Stockfish who fails to see stuff or is it you? Tough question.

In fact, not only is black up a piece, but black's attack is still raging after the best continuation (Nb4 and Nxc2), which did not happen in the game.

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magipi wrote:
Random_Carnage wrote:

Engine hates 18. Nxc3?? but what stockfish fails to see is that Black's only attacking idea is now in tatters

Is it Stockfish who fails to see stuff or is it you? Tough question.

In fact, not only is black up a piece, but black's attack is still raging after the best continuation (Nb4 and Nxc2), which did not happen in the game.

Good job I was playing a human, not a 3000+ Elo rated engine.

Honestly, the amount of engine worship that goes on is hard to believe.

If anyone rated on this site 1500-2000 found stockfish lines 5 ply deep routinely, I don't think they'd be rated what they are. They'd be too busy contesting the WCs.

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Random_Carnage wrote:
magipi wrote:
Random_Carnage wrote:

Engine hates 18. Nxc3?? but what stockfish fails to see is that Black's only attacking idea is now in tatters

Is it Stockfish who fails to see stuff or is it you? Tough question.

In fact, not only is black up a piece, but black's attack is still raging after the best continuation (Nb4 and Nxc2), which did not happen in the game.

Good job I was playing a human, not a 3000+ Elo rated engine.

That's fine. But afterwards you claimed that Stockfish failed to see your brilliant attack. That sounds a bit foolish in retrospect, doesn't it?

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magipi wrote:
Random_Carnage wrote:
magipi wrote:
Random_Carnage wrote:

Engine hates 18. Nxc3?? but what stockfish fails to see is that Black's only attacking idea is now in tatters

Is it Stockfish who fails to see stuff or is it you? Tough question.

In fact, not only is black up a piece, but black's attack is still raging after the best continuation (Nb4 and Nxc2), which did not happen in the game.

Good job I was playing a human, not a 3000+ Elo rated engine.

That's fine. But afterwards you claimed that Stockfish failed to see your brilliant attack. That sounds a bit foolish in retrospect, doesn't it?

If you can't tell the difference between human and engine plans, then good for you.

What is the long term idea behind Black's attack from a human perspective, after 18.Nxc3??

It's a short term tactical shot. Nothing more.

When you attack against a human, a human player will almost always look for the attacker's threats, and ways to defend before anything else. The engine just looks for brute force best moves based on percentile values of a pawn, often ignoring the attack.

You can quote top engine lines all day long, but that shows zero understanding of the game, played out in real time human vs human.

Engine worship, as I say.

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I do quite well with the Caro-Kann when playing Black. It is probably the only chess pattern I have studied in depth, other than the Fried Liver. It seems to be fairly popular in any case, opponents also use it more than the supposedly more common Sicilian Defence.

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Random_Carnage wrote:

When you attack against a human, a human player will almost always look for the attacker's threats, and ways to defend before anything else. The engine just looks for brute force best moves based on percentile values of a pawn, often ignoring the attack.

You can quote top engine lines all day long, but that shows zero understanding of the game, played out in real time human vs human.

In this case, there's no difference. The best move is Nb4 which wins the c2 pawn and the white king is cooked. It's not some obscure engine line, it's the most obvious attacking move that wins almost by force. Most good players would find it. Be glad that your opponent did not.

And again, this is not the main point. The main point is that a couple of hours ago you claimed that Stockfish "fails to see" stuff.