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gik-tally

i'm trying to break out of the anti-tactical stonewall straightjacket and start playing the albin counter gambit, but am having a hard time finding theory for lines where white doesn't follow up with queen's gambit.

these are the possibilities i've come up with so far, but my head is starting to hurt chasing dead ends... namely all anti-london system videos etc are all based on king's indians! no one has anti london theory after 1.d4 d5 *sigh*

i was liking the chigorin description that called it intuitive and based on rapid development... just what a gambiteer likes after being stuck behind 4-5 pawn moves before developing pieces in the stonewall.

in one thread, a lot of people were liking 2...c5 which could also be played as the steinitz counter gambit. it has good stats and is a gambit, but i tend to hate playing c5. i'm starting to kind of get used to it after 1.e4 d5 2.e5 c5, but i don't like it much. it's why i want to drop the scandinavian and learn 2 pawns or schliemann (i'm a king's gambit player, so i DO like pushing my f pawn, unless it's the stonewall) and fritz or marshall gambit though i don't want to because it doesn't start until move 8.

i'm hoping there are albin players that can share their repertoires. they'll be the most aggressive tacticians and seek the same kinds of lines i'm after.

1.d4 d5

2.c4 e5!? Albin Counter Gambit

2.Nf3 London System

   2…Bg4 Anti Torre aka Chigoran Attack – “intuitive” and based on rapid development

      3.e3

      3.Bf4

      3.Ne5

      3.c4

   2…c5 - tried studying this in casual games and the only opponent to allow it resigned here

      3.e3

      3.c4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 dxc4 Krause System – equal stats and looks interesting

      3.c3 

      3.Bf4

      3.dxc5

2.Bf4 = Accelerated London System (Mason Attack)      

   2...c5 Steinitz Counter Gambit 48:47@540k =

      3.e3

      3.c3

      3.Nf3

2.Nc3 Chigoran

i like open positions and hate fianchettos. that's why i'm not looking into the benko.

any input on lines that rip white out of his pawn shield are appreciated. closed london looks hideous to me. i want them pawns gone!

just looking at this potential theory, it's not 100% my style, but at least it's more open than stonewalling (where one's own pawns protect one's opponent from one's pieces) and gets pieces moving in a more "normal looking" set of positions.

i can't take the stonewall anymore, especially now that so many players have weird can opener systems that are new to me.

IHaveTHEChessSkill
1983B-Boy wrote:

i'm trying to break out of the anti-tactical stonewall straightjacket and start playing the albin counter gambit, but am having a hard time finding theory for lines where white doesn't follow up with queen's gambit.

 

these are the possibilities i've come up with so far, but my head is starting to hurt chasing dead ends... namely all anti-london system videos etc are all based on king's indians! no one has anti london theory after 1.d4 d5 *sigh*

 

i was liking the chigorin description that called it intuitive and based on rapid development... just what a gambiteer likes after being stuck behind 4-5 pawn moves before developing pieces in the stonewall.

 

in one thread, a lot of people were liking 2...c5 which could also be played as the steinitz counter gambit. it has good stats and is a gambit, but i tend to hate playing c5. i'm starting to kind of get used to it after 1.e4 d5 2.e5 c5, but i don't like it much. it's why i want to drop the scandinavian and learn 2 pawns or schliemann (i'm a king's gambit player, so i DO like pushing my f pawn, unless it's the stonewall) and fritz or marshall gambit though i don't want to because it doesn't start until move 8.

 

i'm hoping there are albin players that can share their repertoires. they'll be the most aggressive tacticians and seek the same kinds of lines i'm after.

 

1.d4 d5

2.c4 e5!? Albin Counter Gambit

2.Nf3 London System

   2…Bg4 Anti Torre aka Chigoran Attack – “intuitive” and based on rapid development

      3.e3

      3.Bf4

      3.Ne5

      3.c4

   2…c5 - tried studying this in casual games and the only opponent to allow it resigned here

      3.e3

      3.c4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 dxc4 Krause System – equal stats and looks interesting

      3.c3 

      3.Bf4

      3.dxc5

2.Bf4 = Accelerated London System (Mason Attack)      

   2...c5 Steinitz Counter Gambit 48:47@540k =

      3.e3

      3.c3

      3.Nf3

2.Nc3 Chigoran

 

i like open positions and hate fianchettos. that's why i'm not looking into the benko.

 

any input on lines that rip white out of his pawn shield are appreciated. closed london looks hideous to me. i want them pawns gone!

 

just looking at this potential theory, it's not 100% my style, but at least it's more open than stonewalling (where one's own pawns protect one's opponent from one's pieces) and gets pieces moving in a more "normal looking" set of positions.

 

i can't take the stonewall anymore, especially now that so many players have weird can opener systems that are new to me.

play the dutch

IHaveTHEChessSkill

gik-tally

even though I don't like fianchettos, stats are looking good for benko & benoni. maybe forcing myself to learn them will help my game. i jumped into the stonewall blind after a bit of coaching, but these days, it's really hard to play and doesn't suit my open tactical druthers

 

huh! your solution to getting as far away from the stonewall dutch is to suggest the classical dutch and lenningrad. NOPE! exactly the pawn chaining territory i'm trying to ruin away from.

 

when i say i want them pawns gone, i mean a pawn free center. OPEN. i want breathing room to wiggle around it for tactics

gik-tally

as much as i hate fianchettos, i just might try the benko. it has winning stats and is a gambit with a rep for being aggressive.

i think i'd rather hold my pawns back and adopt a hypermodern attacking system. pawns in back equals defense and a half open center. i'll take that over a pawn chain any day.

 

i can't stand pawn chains. even my own. they are nothing but in the way

 

Pratik1415
So what? Try again?
gik-tally

i did try again. i quit playing a decade ago because of the stonewall and i hate it even more now.

it has got to go. i'm going to play the albin. that's that. i need a repertoire to build around that.