Alekhine's Defense Oddity

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Coe

I have been recently experimenting with whites responses to black's Alekhine's Defence other than 2. e5. Chessgames.com shows Bc4 played 10 times with white winning 40% of the time. I thought I'd give it a shot, and innitially it looked brilliant. This is what I saw (starts to get interesting after these two diagrams):

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course black should not move his king to escape check. Instead, black should protect with the knight. Like this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
This move sequence for black which is started with Nxe4 seems obvious - HOWEVER - Chessgames.com shows 2...Nxe4 played only 5 times and 2...e5 played 1,493 times! My question is - What he heck is wrong with 2...Nxe4? At the very least black is up a pawn and will have to retreat - possibly giving up some position. What makes 2...Nxe4 so deplorable for black as to be overlooked 1,493 to 5?

Here's the game chessgames.com shows:


TonightOnly

Well, of course, the point is to pick up the knight with 4.Qh5+ and 5.Qd5+, but this just makes things too easy on black. White spends 6 tempi just to zap his King's bishop and put his Queen on e4. Black cannot castle, but there have to be better things white can do with his time.

 

In response to your question about chessgames.com, they were surely taking transposition into account. The vast majority of the 1500 or so games must have been reached by 1.e4 e5  2.Bc4 Nf6.


mandelshtam

If there exists a refutation of Aljechin's defense, it is not in the variant 1.e4 Nf6, 2.Bc4.

Black can, if he wishes not to enter the above discussion, simply play 2....e5 (Bishop's opening), which is sound. 

I don't see a problem in taking on e4, either: 2....N:e4, 3.B:f7+ K:f7, 4.Qh5+ g6, 5.Qd5+ Kg7, 6.Q:e4 Nc6, 7.Nc3 (otherwise 7....d5) e5. Black has a good center, and the bishop pair. 


KillaBeez
This becomes interesting, but White gets a disadvantage coming out of the opening.  Play the Exchange Variation.  It leads to a safe advantage for White.
mandelshtam
KillaBeez wrote: This becomes interesting, but White gets a disadvantage coming out of the opening.  Play the Exchange Variation.  It leads to a safe advantage for White.

 Exchange variation: 1.e4 Nf6, 2.e5 Nd5, 3.d4 d6, 4.c4 (or 4.Nf3 g6, 5. c4, or 4.Nf3 g6,  5.c4) Nb6, 5. e5:d6, and now both c7:d6 and e7:d6 give white a pleasant game (more space, with no weaknesses).

I believe, also the following Bc4-variant is very good:

1.e4 Nf6, 2.e5 Nd5, 3.d4 d6, 4.Nf3 g6, 5.Bc4, and now, for instance, 

5....Nb6, 6.Bb3 Bg7, 7.Ng5 d5, 8.f4, again with more space for white.

     If black plays Aljechin he must not be afraid of lack of space.  


Coe

Here's an illustration of the intended outcome after Bc4 that TonightOnly pointed out. I'm not sure that white is terribly disadvantaged here. Black will have to move his king immediately to take him out of harms way, and then white can develop the king's knight getting ready for castle.


KidEunuch
I don't know. White's Queen is a bit awkward. Not to mention Black can quickly place his Rook on the f-file if White does castle Kingside. Though he can't castle, Black's King should be safe on e8 for quite some time.
ozzie_c_cobblepot
I would imagine that many players will avoid white's "preparation" by playing ... e5 transposing to the bishop's game (e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6).
Coe
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote: I would imagine that many players will avoid white's "preparation" by playing ... e5 transposing to the bishop's game (e4 e5 Bc4 Nf6).

 Yes, which is why chessgames.com shows ...e5 as the FAR more common move than taking the e pawn. However, we've come to the conclusion that Nxe4 eventually leads to an awkward position for white. Why would black not what this? What is better about transposing to the bishop's game?


Jayded

I think that value of the move aside everything depends on who your opponent is. Whites play bc4 is a serious slap to the face of decent opposition, very ramboesque in nature and thus deserves the e4 and more importantly the resulting better offensively positioned black.