An Opening To Avoid

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I disagree.

Because It's the best opening in Blitz to play against, 'cause your opponent might think of tactics for a while.

Especially if your opponent doesn't know the Bird's opening (Like you said, it's best avoided, so not much of the recorded games do that opening.).

Hence, time-trouble for opponent which might lead to not-so-good moves xD

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In the example game given, if White plays 2. e4, suddenly we are in King's Gambit territory and things look very different.

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DrSpudnik wrote:

In the example game given, if White plays 2. e4, suddenly we are in King's Gambit territory and things look very different.


King's Gambit is also, sometimes/most of the times, confusing.

I'm not sure. I'll say, depends on the popularity of the opening.

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Besides, there's nothing really wrong with the Bird's. It's basically a Dutch Reversed.

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DrSpudnik wrote:

Besides, there's nothing really wrong with the Bird's. It's basically a Dutch Reversed.


That's why that opening was invented, eh? xD

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Well, it makes as much sense as anything else. Every move 1 has its plusses & minuses. 1. f4 does claim a bit of the center (e5), but, like 1. c4, it doesn't claim much more and unless there is some serious transposition into something a bit more aggressive, it will probably drift toward a draw or worse. White also opens up his king to assaults down the a7-g1 diagonal: a problem also dealt with by Black in the Dutch.

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Vincent_Valentine wrote:

There is nothing wrong with the Bird Opening, but like DrSpudnik's statement, a friend of mine who played it for a while was unhappy with its drawish tendencies.


It depends on your opponent if he/she knows the openning. But what I'm saying is, when playing Blitz. Not long game. 'cause your opponent will definitely think of tactics with your bad opening. :)

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I checked a database of chess games to try to refute you. I looked at multiple players entire playing history looking to find a game with birds opening.

Not one of these players ever played this as white: Kasparov, Karpov, Tal, Anand, Topalov, Morphy, Fischer, Kramnick, Carlsen... not one of those players ever used this opening as white in a recorded game.

That leads me to believe it is flawed.

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Really? The Bird as an opening to avoid? It may not be your cup of tea, but it is definitely not to be underestimated.

The f-pawn move sets up a strong flank anchor, grabs control of e5, and supports advances on the king-side. There's a lot of flexibility available to white with how he proceeds with the attack, whether he wants to play a solid or more aggressive opening. The kingside is not weakened - Nf3 and castling keeps it pretty safe.

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Say that to GM Henrik Danielsen  Laughing : he's the Bird's opening "guru"

His youtube channel is http://www.youtube.com/user/krakkaskak#p/u

BTW you didn't mention the Fromm's gambit ...

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Sorry guys for my errors.

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No need to apologise - the forum is for constructive discussion Smile

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Frankdawg wrote:

I checked a database of chess games to try to refute you. I looked at multiple players entire playing history looking to find a game with birds opening.

Not one of these players ever played this as white: Kasparov, Karpov, Tal, Anand, Topalov, Morphy, Fischer, Kramnick, Carlsen... not one of those players ever used this opening as white in a recorded game.

That leads me to believe it is flawed.


It's more probable that these recorded games are not played in Blitz :)

and Mezmer could be right. It's not to be underestimated :D

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It's an opening to avoid for those who are just beggining at chess. ;)

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Yet, oddly enough, it's beginners who go for these gimmicks all the time, because they hold out the promise of not getting clobbered in the first 10 moves. And its obscurity is another lure. They think that if they know some tiny thing about an opening more than their opponent, they'll have a slight edge. But once the opening is over, poor middlegame skills often do them in.

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I don't think a begginer started this 'gimmick' :)