Any 1. b4 players out there?

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Avatar of inject_the_venom

I've taken an interest in this opening and was wondering if anyone has experience with it (more than playing it once!).

Avatar of brandonQDSH

I'm guessing b4 is playable.

But I think against a better player, Black is guaranteed a better opening position. When Black opens 1. e5, what does White play to defend his pawn? 2. a3 has almost no bearing on the game, while 2. c3 takes away a good development square for the Knight.

Next Black gets to develop a piece, which is probably 2. Nf6, and now I think White is actually behind in tempo. It's almost as if Black went first. Does White play 3. Nf3? Black can now defend his pawn with Nc6, and follow it up with d5, and he now has a strong control of the center.

White's pawn is attacking c5 and a5, but those squares don't have any immediate impact on the game. Moreover, White spent TWO moves to set up this wasted attack. White isn't lost per se, it's just that against a better player, I think it's pretty obvious that Black is left with tempo and a better starting position from which to work towards the win. However, I'm sure if a grandmaster was feeling it, he could totally wreck me with 1. b4! :)

Avatar of normajeanyates

no, the sokoloski or polish opening 1.b4 is quite respectable. Used to play it myself. Playing only 1.e4 this year. Will play a few 1.b4's next year.

Any reader can make a note of this, and challenge me with 1.b4 starting pos. (me as white) NEXT year (15 jan 2009 or later). 10 days/move is okay, though I prefer 14 days/move. WILL NOT play faster time controls here. repeat:10 or 14 days/move.

Avatar of Zerrogi

Ah, the Sokolsky.  Always a pleasure to play, albeit slightly unusual.

Mnay fun variations with it, but I didn't take it very far.  I kinda regret it, now seeing how exciting it really is.

Avatar of Dmaster995

Any 1. b4 players out there? No.

Avatar of Theodred

I've played plenty of b4 players, however, they seem to only play it in "quick" live games.

Avatar of normajeanyates

As I said, I am willing to play it at 10 or 14 days per move. Is that too "quick" for you, theodred?

See my prev post.

Avatar of salazar

if b4, then i play d5 a3 Qd3 Bb2 d5 with positional advantage for black, and i have won 80% of the games playing black 

Avatar of unbeatablepro

1b4 e5 you can play b5 and get more queenside space its playable not ultra sharp winning but okay

Avatar of MBickley

Don't learn a new opening.  I don't care about the merits of b4, don't learn a new opening.

Avatar of cheesehat

1. b4 is Worse than 1. e4.

 

I didnt say it was bad. It is worse.

 

So...why take the free $50 when there is a credit card worth $1000 on the ground right next to it (dont give me smart azz answers like "I dont have a pin number", just blow this idiots money on ebay)

Avatar of Dutchgalego

Tricky and fun!

I love 1.b4 although never loosed with black otb before.

Feel free to challenge me for a Sokolsky game any time you want.

Avatar of Theodred
normajeanyates wrote:

As I said, I am willing to play it at 10 or 14 days per move. Is that too "quick" for you, theodred?

See my prev post.


Personally, I would love to play a game like that. It seems like a very interesting opening.

Avatar of TheMoonwalker

I know a guy who plays it a lot, and its irritating cause I dont know how to play against it :(

(hes much better than me anyway though - and older :)

Avatar of thegab03

The Polish(Sokolsy/Oran-utan)opening has refreshed my chess playing,for I was losing patience with d4 or e4 and I discovered b4!

Now I'm trying the inns and outs of this beautiful opening that gives such good tactical positons for both sides!

Avatar of TheMoonwalker

lol, after having made the first comment, i played a guy in blitz who played b4:

http://www.chess.com/livechess/game.html?id=9457350

Avatar of TheMoonwalker

...and another one - this one is mad with full of sacs :)

http://www.chess.com/livechess/game.html?id=9457516

Avatar of inject_the_venom
cheesehat wrote:

1. b4 is Worse than 1. e4.

 

I didnt say it was bad. It is worse.

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It is definitely worse than 1. e4 -- no doubt!

I tried this past week to get back into e4 and slug it out in games on several sites-- I don't think I'm too good at those open positions and tactical complications that usually arise from 1. e4... so back to the positional stuff for me!Smile

 


Avatar of inject_the_venom
salazar wrote:

if b4, then i play d5 a3 Qd3 Bb2 d5 with positional advantage for black, and i have won 80% of the games playing black 


 Another possible line is 1. b4  d5  2. Bb2  Qd6  3. b5  e5  (if 3. ...Qb4 then 4. Bc3 Qb5  5. e4) or instead of 3. b5, play 3. a3  e5  4. Nf3

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brandonQDSH wrote:

I'm guessing b4 is playable.

But I think against a better player, Black is guaranteed a better opening position. When Black opens 1. e5, what does White play to defend his pawn? 2. a3 has almost no bearing on the game, while 2. c3 takes away a good development square for the Knight.

 


 Normally it would go 1. b4 e5  2. Bb2  Bb4 3. Be5 Nf6  4. c4  O-O;  White could also risk playing 3. f4 in the above line when 3. ... d6 is probably best.