Any aggressive gambits I should try out with white?

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Darkforce15

Retí opening tennison gambit

chainlincfence
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

I'm sorry you got upset that I criticised your favourite opening @chainlincfence.

LMAO My favorite opening? What I'm saying is it works. Some people are bothered by the fact that some others don't enjoy playing the sicilian or whatever.

chainlincfence
Darkforce15 wrote:

Retí opening tennison gambit

aka the Intercontinental ballistic missile gambit hehe

SamuelAjedrez95
chainlincfence wrote:
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

I'm sorry you got upset that I criticised your favourite opening @chainlincfence.

LMAO My favorite opening? What I'm saying is it works. Some people are bothered by the fact that some others don't enjoy playing the sicilian or whatever.

Ok, well you obviously took it very hard when I said the Schliemann was better than the Rousseau Gambit.

I don't know why you're on about the Sicilian all of a sudden. Different people enjoy different things. There's nothing wrong with that.

DrIntrovert

A really fun one to play is the ICBM, heres a video on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2xNlzsnPCQ

TheSampson
DrIntrovert wrote:

A really fun one to play is the ICBM, heres a video on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2xNlzsnPCQ

ah yes the icbm

where you sacrifice a pawn to win the queen

and if your opponent doesn’t fall for it you’re in a terrible position

Why do people insist on playing garbage just for the dopamine rush of “oh wow he fell for it 🤣”? Play an actual opening, play actual chess. GothamChess hates the Ruy Lopez but he literally recommends the Englund Gambit. Almost no opening traps are sound compared to legitimate openings. Compare the Ruy Lopez:

-an incredibly rich position- to this.
Black has everlasting pressure on the pinned knight- and if white doesn’t do something about it, he’s gonna lose the piece back after Bxc3 Bxc3 and Qxc3- and if he does do something, he’s still gonna lose the light-squared bishop with dxc4. White’s little “advantage” with his “powerful bishops” is now taken away. Not only is white’s only advantage dying, but black has the initiative (which white sacrificed three pawns for, equal to an entire piece) and white’s material sacrifice is useless.
Now, go back to the first position. White is great. He has a powerful center, a safe king, and active pieces after the queenside knight transfers to b3. If the position opens up, white will have powerful bishops and the open c-file to enjoy. He has no weaknesses- perhaps only the inactive queenside rook. Meanwhile, the Danish Gambit, shown in the second example, is scattered with weaknesses. From the material loss to the vulnerable king and knight, white is worse. And that’s why I wouldn’t play most gambits nor would I recommend them to anyone.
 

BobbyBojanglles fans can’t get past 500 for a reason.

AhmedAryan
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
chainlincfence wrote:
 
 SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

@chainlincfence

d4 where? Show the line

Line 4 has no d4 but it's not actually bad to allow the fork and is close to equal since they can't really take the rook at any point. Line 4's eval is about +0.8 at best for white and there are a lotta ways white can go wrong.

Let's take your examples and lable them examples 1, 2, 3, 4.

I'll only go through 1 and 3 briefly. These are just showing bad play by white to make it look better.

Example 1: The Rousseau Gambit sells this trick where taking on f5 is bad because of e5-e4. Anyone who has any decent chess sense would not give up the centre and allow this.

Example 3: This is an obvious centre fork trick. Anyone who is any good at chess will know this idea from the 4 knights Italian.

These are literally baby steps.

So case one, you can't show that an opening is good by showing bad lines for the other side "Look how good this opening is when the opponent makes this BAD move."

Example 4: This is transposing into the Lucchini Gambit. It sells another trick where this Knight Attack doesn't work, as black gets a strong attack. This might be a bit harder to see for some but after 5. Nc3, white is significantly better.

Example 2: This is the good line for white, but you cut it short, as to not show how horrible it looks for black.

You have to play stuff like Qd6 and be passive. Normally when someone plays a gambit, it's for rapid development, initiative and attack. This is doing none of those things. It's a gambit where you basically strangle yourself.

In the Ruy Lopez, d4 isn't as strong because of 4. d4 fxe4 5. Nxe5 Nxe5 6. dxe5 c6. And c6 comes with tempo on the bishop.

Maybe some of the tricks you showed work against inexperienced players. If they don't work then you just have a garbage position.

It's not a serious opening.

Bro and now you ignore those pages I wrote about the Rosseau gambit? exd4 is the best move.

TheSampson
TheSampson wrote:
DrIntrovert wrote:

A really fun one to play is the ICBM, heres a video on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2xNlzsnPCQ

ah yes the icbm

where you sacrifice a pawn to win the queen

and if your opponent doesn’t fall for it you’re in a terrible position

Why do people insist on playing garbage just for the dopamine rush of “oh wow he fell for it 🤣”? Play an actual opening, play actual chess. GothamChess hates the Ruy Lopez but he literally recommends the Englund Gambit. Almost no opening traps are sound compared to legitimate openings. Compare the Ruy Lopez:

-an incredibly rich position- to this.
Black has everlasting pressure on the pinned knight- and if white doesn’t do something about it, he’s gonna lose the piece back after Bxc3 Bxc3 and Qxc3- and if he does do something, he’s still gonna lose the light-squared bishop with dxc4. White’s little “advantage” with his “powerful bishops” is now taken away. Not only is white’s only advantage dying, but black has the initiative (which white sacrificed three pawns for, equal to an entire piece) and white’s material sacrifice is useless.
Now, go back to the first position. White is great. He has a powerful center, a safe king, and active pieces after the queenside knight transfers to b3. If the position opens up, white will have powerful bishops and the open c-file to enjoy. He has no weaknesses- perhaps only the inactive queenside rook. Meanwhile, the Danish Gambit, shown in the second example, is scattered with weaknesses. From the material loss to the vulnerable king and knight, white is worse. And that’s why I wouldn’t play most gambits nor would I recommend them to anyone.
 

BobbyBojanglles fans can’t get past 500 for a reason.

Btw, no offense or anything I just wanted to showcase my opinion in a dramatic manner

AhmedAryan
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

I'm sorry you got upset that I criticised your favourite opening @chainlincfence.

I'm sorry I have to point out that yall are still saying fxe4 is the best move against d4 and that once again just like your opposer you're shortening some of the lines. In example 2, Pressure gets released even if it's not the best line.

Yeah, even if it's +1.1, that's because fxe4 and not exd4. Except, where is that squeezing you were talking about? Where again?

SamuelAjedrez95
AhmedAryan wrote:

Bro and now you ignore those pages I wrote about the Rosseau gambit? exd4 is the best move.

I already discussed your lines.

Sea_TurtIe
TheSampson wrote:
DrIntrovert wrote:

A really fun one to play is the ICBM, heres a video on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2xNlzsnPCQ

ah yes the icbm

where you sacrifice a pawn to win the queen

and if your opponent doesn’t fall for it you’re in a terrible position

Why do people insist on playing garbage just for the dopamine rush of “oh wow he fell for it 🤣”? Play an actual opening, play actual chess. GothamChess hates the Ruy Lopez but he literally recommends the Englund Gambit. Almost no opening traps are sound compared to legitimate openings. Compare the Ruy Lopez:

-an incredibly rich position- to this.
Black has everlasting pressure on the pinned knight- and if white doesn’t do something about it, he’s gonna lose the piece back after Bxc3 Bxc3 and Qxc3- and if he does do something, he’s still gonna lose the light-squared bishop with dxc4. White’s little “advantage” with his “powerful bishops” is now taken away. Not only is white’s only advantage dying, but black has the initiative (which white sacrificed three pawns for, equal to an entire piece) and white’s material sacrifice is useless.
Now, go back to the first position. White is great. He has a powerful center, a safe king, and active pieces after the queenside knight transfers to b3. If the position opens up, white will have powerful bishops and the open c-file to enjoy. He has no weaknesses- perhaps only the inactive queenside rook. Meanwhile, the Danish Gambit, shown in the second example, is scattered with weaknesses. From the material loss to the vulnerable king and knight, white is worse. And that’s why I wouldn’t play most gambits nor would I recommend them to anyone.
 

BobbyBojanglles fans can’t get past 500 for a reason.

took 10 minutes to show the common theory for the lines, i think gotham gatekeeps because of all the diversity there is in the ruy lopez

but these positions are fun, why ignore this when its so fun and instead play the quiet italian or the scotch? you're just shooting yourself in the face at that point

Sea_TurtIe

black can deviate easily in these positons and you gotta know what youre doing, if you dont you can still do your basic Nd2-Nf1-Ng3 thing and mix it up with a4 or bc2 or d5 to close everything

AhmedAryan
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

I'm sorry you got upset that I criticised your favourite opening @chainlincfence.

I'm sorry you're completely ignoring the pages I've written on the lines that are actually good for black in the Rosseau gambit. You're needing to ignore them to actually try to make, I don't know.. any point about it being bad?

AhmedAryan
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
AhmedAryan wrote:

Bro and now you ignore those pages I wrote about the Rosseau gambit? exd4 is the best move.

I already discussed your lines.

Yeah. So tell me where was the bad part again? Was there even one? Why do you keep laughing when I make a point? SamuelAjedrez95, your entire point is made by duct tape and straws.

SamuelAjedrez95
AhmedAryan wrote:
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

I'm sorry you got upset that I criticised your favourite opening @chainlincfence.

I'm sorry I have to point out that yall are still saying fxe4 is the best move against d4 and that once again just like your opposer you're shortening some of the lines. In example 2, Pressure gets released even if it's not the best line.

Yeah, even if it's +1.1, that's because fxe4 and not exd4. Except, where is that squeezing you were talking about? Where again?

Bruh look

Your queen is on d6 and none of your pieces have anywhere useful to go. Best move here is Qe6. That's how miserable the position is. This is like +2.0.

After exd4

Look how sad your pieces are.

Ethan_Brollier
Darkforce15 wrote:

Retí opening tennison gambit

If you’re going to try for the ICBM, at least do it against the Caro, where the risk/reward ratio is heavily skewed in your favor. 
Observe:

SamuelAjedrez95

You know you could have this:

but choose this

SamuelAjedrez95
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
Darkforce15 wrote:

Retí opening tennison gambit

If you’re going to try for the ICBM, at least do it against the Caro, where the risk/reward ratio is heavily skewed in your favor. 
Observe:

Omg, I remember someone showed this line but showed 6. Bg6+ Kxg6 7. Qxd8, winning the queen! Rough... 🤣

OnTheRunFromCubanPolice
TheSampson yazdı:
DrIntrovert wrote:

A really fun one to play is the ICBM, heres a video on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2xNlzsnPCQ

ah yes the icbm

where you sacrifice a pawn to win the queen

and if your opponent doesn’t fall for it you’re in a terrible position

Why do people insist on playing garbage just for the dopamine rush of “oh wow he fell for it 🤣”? Play an actual opening, play actual chess. GothamChess hates the Ruy Lopez but he literally recommends the Englund Gambit. Almost no opening traps are sound compared to legitimate openings.

You already answered your own question with that. Those traps tend to be snappy, flashy, and quick. Thats what attracts a type of player. Most of the times they will just get away until a plateau. I am not talking about the quirky "oh I am 2500+ and still use these" people as they could beat a person with piece odds anyways so their point is moot there.

TheSampson
OnTheRunFromCubanPolice wrote:
TheSampson yazdı:
DrIntrovert wrote:

A really fun one to play is the ICBM, heres a video on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2xNlzsnPCQ

ah yes the icbm

where you sacrifice a pawn to win the queen

and if your opponent doesn’t fall for it you’re in a terrible position

Why do people insist on playing garbage just for the dopamine rush of “oh wow he fell for it 🤣”? Play an actual opening, play actual chess. GothamChess hates the Ruy Lopez but he literally recommends the Englund Gambit. Almost no opening traps are sound compared to legitimate openings.

You already answered your own question with that. Those traps tend to be snappy, flashy, and quick. Thats what attracts a type of player. Most of the times they will just get away until a plateau. I am not talking about the quirky "oh I am 2500+ and still use these" people as they could beat a person with piece odds anyways so their point is moot there.

Yeah, basically.