JUST PLAY e4 AND STOP THIS DISCUSSION. PLZZZZZ
Any Good Books on the Czech Benoni
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Sep 14, 2020
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#63
rychessmaster1 wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
rychessmaster1 wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
interesting, @Thrillerfan. What is the closed benoni? I've never heard of it...
Czech Benoni - 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 e5 4.Nc3 d6 5.e4
Closed Benoni - 1.d4 c5 2.d5 e5 3.e4 Nf6 4.Nc3! with the idea of, in some order, playing Nf3, Be2, a4, O-O, Nd2, and Nc4!
- Having the c4-square available for a White Knight (to pressure d6) as opposed to having a White Pawn on c4 makes a HUGE difference in White's favor.
You are thinking of the benko advance not the closed Benoni
No, you are wrong! It is the Closed Benoni. Chapters 5 thru 7 of "How to play against 1.d4".
Black's b-pawn has not advanced.
Main Line right here:
1.d4 c5 2.d5 e5 3.e4! d6 4.Nc3! Be7 5.Nf3 Bg4 (5...Nf6? 6.Be2 and now if ...Bg4 at any point it is too late - 6...Bg4 7.Nd2! and the knight heads for c4 and White is near winning) and now White has a definite edge after 6.Be2 Bxf3 7.Bxf3 Bg5 8.Bxg5 Qxg5, but even stronger is 6.h3 Bxf3 7.Qxf3 Bg5 8.Bxg5 Qxg5 9.Nb5 Qd8 (9...Qe7?? 10.Qg4 +-) 10.Qg4 Kf8 11.Nxd6! Nf6 12.Qc8 Qxc8 13.Nxc8 Nxe4 14.Bd3 Nd7 15.Bxc4 Rxc8. Palliser acknowledges that White is better. NCO says White'a better. White has scored really well from this position to back up the claims as well.
This is not some "advanced Benko" like you claim.
but advanced Benko has the Nf3 Be2 a4 O-O Nd2 Nc4 idea as well.
That may be true, but just because it has the same idea does not mean it also applies to the closed benoni. Of Black does not immediately play 5...Bg4, that is exactly what White does. What I have always wondered is what if 5.Be2 first before 6.Nf3? It does not prevent the desired Dark Square Bishop trade that Black wants, but White does get his Knight to c4 in return and d6 is now weaker with the DSB gone.
I still make the claim that the Czech Benoni is legit and the Closed Benoni is not.
Sep 14, 2020
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#64
PILOTOXOMXD wrote:
JUST PLAY e4 AND STOP THIS DISCUSSION. PLZZZZZ
I’m looking for a black defense...
Sep 14, 2020
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#65
rychessmaster1 wrote:
PILOTOXOMXD wrote:
JUST PLAY e4 AND STOP THIS DISCUSSION. PLZZZZZ
e4 is trash
yes
Sep 14, 2020
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#66
rychessmaster1 wrote:
tbh why don't you play Nimzo indian @SNUDOO
I can't ever tell when to play c5 and I don't like to play d5 because of my LSB
it just is confusing
Sep 14, 2020
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#67
like here I'm pretty sure you play c5
but that's it, and the bogo-indian annoying has heck
Sep 14, 2020
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#68
exactly theres too many variations and it just feels like white is super solid and black is just grinding the entire time
Sep 14, 2020
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#69
I just don't have enough experience playing against the doubled c-pawns to be an effective nimzo player.
Sep 14, 2020
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#70
I score a smack 50% with the nimzo, but the last time I played it in live chess was when I was a 1500 blitz .__.
Sep 14, 2020
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#71
and 1500s don't play theory, and I didn't know any theory, so it was just basically chaos
Sep 14, 2020
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#72
SNUDOO wrote:
rychessmaster1 wrote:
tbh why don't you play Nimzo indian @SNUDOO
I can't ever tell when to play c5 and I don't like to play d5 because of my LSB
it just is confusing
Pick up "Opening Repertoire: The Nimzo-Indian" by Sielecki.
The repertoire he gives, unlike Dearing's book, is specifically focused on lines where Black takes on a dark-square strategy with his pawns.
Problem Solved! While the Czech benoni may be sound, it is less error friendly. One mistake can easily be instant death in the Czech Benoni (just like the Kings Indian).
Sep 14, 2020
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#73
ThrillerFan wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
rychessmaster1 wrote:
tbh why don't you play Nimzo indian @SNUDOO
I can't ever tell when to play c5 and I don't like to play d5 because of my LSB
it just is confusing
Pick up "Opening Repertoire: The Nimzo-Indian" by Sielecki.
The repertoire he gives, unlike Dearing's book, is specifically focused on lines where Black takes on a dark-square strategy with his pawns.
Problem Solved! While the Czech benoni may be sound, it is less error friendly. One mistake can easily be instant death in the Czech Benoni (just like the Kings Indian).
Yes, but I just like maneuvering openings. Also, I think I need to improve on my long term strategy and stuff so it should be good for me
Sep 14, 2020
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#74
SNUDOO wrote:
I just don't have enough experience playing against the doubled c-pawns to be an effective nimzo player.
Not all lines lead to doubled c-pawns.
The strategy in the Nimzo is actually easier than the Czech Benoni.
In terms of the doubled pawns, if you get down to an endgame with 1 minor piece each, like a Black Knight against a White Dark-Squared Bishop, whether there are Rooks still on the board or not, The front pawn of doubled pawns is almost always the harder one to defend as the Rooks cannot defend it from behind, and if they are blocked (WPc3, WPc4, BPc5), with White having a DSB, not a LSB, that c4-pawn is even weaker!
Sounds like you don't need openings, but rather books on strategy, like Marovic's "Dynamic Pawn Play in Chess" or Sergey Kasparov's book on Doubled Pawns!
Sep 14, 2020
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#75
ThrillerFan wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
I just don't have enough experience playing against the doubled c-pawns to be an effective nimzo player.
Not all lines lead to doubled c-pawns.
The strategy in the Nimzo is actually easier than the Czech Benoni.
In terms of the doubled pawns, if you get down to an endgame with 1 minor piece each, like a Black Knight against a White Dark-Squared Bishop, whether there are Rooks still on the board or not, The front pawn of doubled pawns is almost always the harder one to defend as the Rooks cannot defend it from behind, and if they are blocked (WPc3, WPc4, BPc5), with White having a DSB, not a LSB, that c4-pawn is even weaker!
Sounds like you don't need openings, but rather books on strategy, like Marovic's "Dynamic Pawn Play in Chess" or Sergey Kasparov's book on Doubled Pawns!
interesting, I might get some of those. I think I'm plateauing anyways, so those would help.
Sep 14, 2020
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#76
Here is a Nimzo game where Nlack pretty much had the advantage all the way thru with White playing the dubious dxe5?!
https://www.chess.com/live/game/3295663235
Game ended abruptly with a fork, but Black is better anyway.
Sep 14, 2020
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#77
I don't even get dxe5 anyways, just let black take on d4. Lots of doubled pawns though
Sep 14, 2020
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#79
rychessmaster1 wrote:
I could use some samich practice myself tbh though its pretty rare nowadays
what's pretty rare? The steak?
Just play e4. Its simpler. sigh