Any info on this variation?

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AunTheKnight
royalknight101 wrote:
AunTheKnight wrote:
krazeechess wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:
meowmeomeo wrote:

No one tries the fianchetto, as far as I know. I mean in the top 20.

Well I'm not sure the top 20 would approve of me playing the Budapest gambit against d4 either tbf

bruh budapest more dubious than grob attack

No.

nah both are cool

Grob is worse than 1. f3.

DasBurner
cricket7890 wrote:

This variation is good and was pioneered in the 1925 tournament in Marienbad, by a few chess masters like Nimzowitsch. This is a very good system, but the only problem is that white will play c4 earlier and then you cannot play this.

c4 early doesn't scare me because I've been prepping this weird thing:

And white can't play e4 like in the Grunfeld because the e4 pawn would hang after the trade, so white has to play a more quiet move like e3 or qc2 and it gives black enough time to safely play g6 bg7

yetanotheraoc

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 b6 3.g3 Bb7 4.Bg2 c5

Pachman (1974) Indian Defences gave good coverage of this line and black was doing well there (equality). No idea why white's statistics are so poor nowadays, probably just weak players messing up later.

According to Pachman, the issue with this move order is 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 b6 3.Bg5 with a better than usual Torre Attack for white. I no longer have the book and can't give any variations to support that conclusion. But it makes sense, and many strong players nowadays do the same with black, i.e. 1.Nf3 d5 2.b3 Bg4.

DasBurner
yetanotheraoc wrote:

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 b6 3.g3 Bb7 4.Bg2 c5

Pachman (1974) Indian Defences gave good coverage of this line and black was doing well there (equality). No idea why white's statistics are so poor nowadays, probably just weak players messing up later.

According to Pachman, the issue with this move order is 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 b6 3.Bg5 with a better than usual Torre Attack for white. I no longer have the book and can't give any variations to support that conclusion. But it makes sense, and many strong players nowadays do the same with black, i.e. 1.Nf3 d5 2.b3 Bg4.

interesting...

I think after bg5, black can continue with bb7, and after nbd2 (in classical Trompowsky/Torre fashion I think), black plays c5! with a good position with even g6 coming after e3 or c3

DasBurner

looks pretty fair to me

Chushoudelu
DaBabysBurner wrote:

looks pretty fair to me

c4 d5?

DasBurner
TonyL103 wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:

looks pretty fair to me

c4 d5?

4. c4 you just play e6 and end up in a favorable Queen's Indian position where white played the weird bg5

DasBurner

or if you're playing c4 after nbd2 you'd trade the pawns to prevent d5 and then play the position normally I suppose

Chushoudelu
DaBabysBurner wrote:
TonyL103 wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:

looks pretty fair to me

c4 d5?

4. c4 you just play e6 and end up in a favorable Queen's Indian position where white played the weird bg5

no 3.c4

DasBurner
TonyL103 wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:
TonyL103 wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:

looks pretty fair to me

c4 d5?

4. c4 you just play e6 and end up in a favorable Queen's Indian position where white played the weird bg5

no 3.c4

3. bb7 4. nc3 d5

Chushoudelu

hmmmm c5?

yetanotheraoc

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 b6 3.Bg5 Bb7 4.Nbd2 (there is also 4.Nc3 Ne4 5.Nxe4 Bxe4 6.Nd2 Bb7 7.e4) 4...c5, maybe something like 5.Bxf6!? gxf6 6.e4 is possible. It can become a Sicilian where both sides have played non-standard moves.

1c6O-1
hvenki wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:
hvenki wrote:

yes, some advice as well, don't play it

thank you bananaman who plays London 

I play caro now check my recent games

except I only know the first move

YES HVENKI

DasBurner
1c6O-1 wrote:
hvenki wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:
hvenki wrote:

yes, some advice as well, don't play it

thank you bananaman who plays London 

I play caro now check my recent games

except I only know the first move

YES HVENKI

no, not another one not playing the Alekhine

myusername456456
DaBabysBurner wrote:
1c6O-1 wrote:
hvenki wrote:
DaBabysBurner wrote:
hvenki wrote:

yes, some advice as well, don't play it

thank you bananaman who plays London 

I play caro now check my recent games

except I only know the first move

YES HVENKI

no, not another one not playing the Alekhine

Yay, another Caro-Kann player!