After more research, I bought the Pert book. Also if they respond with 2...d5, I still go ahead and play 2.Bg5. ? ?
1) still not sure why White plays 3.Bf4 looks like you'd wait and see if Black tries to kick you out first with h6.
2) I'm about a 1400-1500 OTB player and often play this 1700 player. After about 30 games, I've won 2 or 3 and drew 2 or 3 with him. But never win when he goes into the KID. Seems this Tromp will take him out and possibly confuse him from his KID.
I'd 3.Bxf6 and mess his pawn structure up. I know he's obsessed with his pawn structures, so don't think he will play that 2...g6. He retakes with pawn, then I e3 and Nf3, don't know which order, guess it doesn't matter much. I'm very new to the Tromp so just winging it here. Still looks like the KID though doesn't it; if he let's his N get taken early.
I can always go back to the 4 pawns... I'll eventually catch him.
Some possibilities:
Starting Out: The Trompowsky Attack by Richard Palliser (2009)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140626221709/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen127.pdf
The Trompowsky Attack: Move by Move by Cyrus Lakdawala
Playing the Trompowsky by Richard Pert
https://www.chess.com/article/view/review-playing-the-trompowsky
Thanks @kindaspongey , I bought the Pert book. That Peter Wells book looks good too, but I guess due to its rarity, it's very pricey.
1.d4 Nf6 2Bg5 Ne4 the bishop is undefended so need to do something about it.
Perhaps. Why not develop something else first and oblige Black to MAKE it move, saving a tempo? @TwoMove - just asking.
Don t wanna brag but I am actually a god at the Trompowski. What do you want to know?
Why does White move his Bishop right away on move 3 if 1.d4 Nf6 2Bg5 Ne4 ? Merci'
Played my first game with it today and it went well.
he moves it away because the Ne4 attacks it.... After Ne4 white has few choices, mainly Bf4 and Bh4 are played, I play Bf4. After Ne4 Bf4 black has basically 2 ways of playing, either he plays with c5 or with d5.
I am master at the drunk rhino too but no im not confusing it :)
@SmithyQ , holy cow, didn't see that. Thankyou. I will play Bf4 now with abandon.
My gosh, another opening I have to look up now. lol
Nice to know we DO have an expert at the Tromp with I'mNoMaster. Strange but I really did have chess vision blindness there. Nice people here, thanks to a high ranked player like I'mNoMaster to set me straight.
Can't even find any Drunk Rhino; i'll forget it. So that N on e4, I shouldn't worry about it for a while? thinking f3? Course that blocks my N in.
Seems the first example seems more likely, 4...d5 5.e3,e6 (protects pawn and lets Q and B out for Black; then 6.Bd6 developing, hitting pesky N, possibly to get Blacks d pawn out of center.
Yes! Looking good. Don't know what after that, but looking good. Thanks all. I bought the Richard Pert Book on the Tromp; waiting for it to come in.
Already 1-0 with the Trompowski. Liking it for side or main weapon...will miss 1.e4 though.
You can find the Drunk Rhino if you look at one of my forum threads I posted a while ago ;).
You can remember it like this: If after Ne4 Bf4 black plays with c5 you as White play f3 to kick the knight away and then follow up with d5 for the space advantage in the center. If after Ne4 Bf4 black plays with d5 though f3 would only weaken your position and block the knight on g1 so after d5 you play with e3-Bd3-Nf3 and so on...
In response to the OP, I play the Trompowsky off and on, and I own a number of books, and have browsed others.
Here's a rundown of what I'd suggest:
Books: The Trompowsky: Move by Move AND the Pert Book, reading the Move by Move first for the ideas. The theory isn't very deep though, and that book alone is a tad weaker than other Move by Move books. It still explains the ideas, but you'll need the Pert Book too.
When to Play it: The thing to watch out for is the Pert Book is a Repertoire. Not complete! Books like the Nigel Davis book will give you a more shallow coverage of all lines, to at least inject some other ideas rather than trying to play it like a robot. That said, while each of those Tromp books try to build a cookie-cutter approach, and give lines for 1.d4 d5 2.Bg5, even Pert points out that while he has given a chapter on it, it's not nearly as good as playing the Tromp against 1...Nf6, and even goes as far as recommending 1.d4 d5 2.Bg5 f6! for Black!
Therefore, I can tell you that while I do play other openings (1.b4, 1.e4, 1.Nf3, 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3) as well, as one that plays the Tromp at times (1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5), here's how I'd recommend completing your repertoire for White:
1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 and now: A) 2...Nf6 3.e3 e6 4.Bd3 c5 and 5.c3 or 5.b3, depending on your preferred style of play. B) 2...e6 3.e3 See A C) 2...Nf6 3.e3 Bf5 (or 3...Bg4) 4.c4! - You will need to know some other theory, in particular the Slow Slav, but you avoid many other things like the QGA, Albin, etc.
1.d4 c5 2.d5! and DO NOT play c4. Look at the Closed Benoni, Schmid Benoni, etc. Lines where c4 is still available for the White Knight on f3 instead of a pawn.
1.d4 g6 - The main lines of the Modern Defense are not scary. You can play 4.Be3, 4.f4, etc.
1.d4 f5, the chapter that Pert gives is fine, or if you prefer something else, there are many playable lines against the Dutch.
So am thinking of taking up the Trompowski...what's the best book on it? Like one that would explain well the moves, so I'll understand it and not just memorize the first 8 moves which could branch out to too much. For instance, after d4, then Nf6,
then 2.Bg5, and typically Ne4, Why does White move Bf4??
Anyway, what's the best book on the Trompowski? The one by Akdawala or Pert or Emms? Is the one by Soltis not any good? It goes for a penny on Am a zon.
b) and my 2nd question, not all Black players will play 2...Nf6, many will play 2...d5. So what's the best gambit type or offbeat-that-they-likely-will-not-know response to THAT move? - for under 1750 players. Like possibly the Queen's Gambit? or what else? (i'm not much up on d4 openings.)
Thanks for any input.