Are there any good chess openings that involve getting the queen out early in the game?

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My favorite piece by far is the queen because she's op AF. Because of this I have been playing the Wayward Queen Attack but I checked with the engine and saw that it's bad so I was wondering if there are any other openings that involve getting the queen out early

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The main line Scansinavian 1. e4, d5; 2. exd5, Qxd5 is fairly respectable if polarising. The Centre Game 1. e4, e5; 2. d4, exd4; 3. Qxd4 has its fans (Shirov tried to rejuvenate it in the 1990s). There's an odd line against the Caro-Kann which goes 1. e4, c6; 2. Nc3, d5; 3. Qf3. But good very early Queen sorties are few and far between.

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In French there are several variations with Qg4. Also Sicilian Najdorf Qb6xb2.
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The Vienna game probably has the most (legit) lines with an early long queen move :

1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Bc5 3. Qh5!?

1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. Qg4!

1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bc4 Nxe4 4. Qh5! Nd6 5. Bb3!?

1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. f4 d5! 4. fxe5 Nxe4 5. Qf3!

After 1. d4 there are lots of lines with an early Qb3 but they are positional mainly.

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In the Sicilian there are variations of lines that revolve around the general idea of 1.e4,c5 2.d4,cxd4 3.Qd4,... with possibilities of other intermediate moves being thrown in before the actual Qxd4.

In the French Advance the black Queen goes to Qb6 a lot to support Black's attack on d4 as well as pressuring b2.

In the Advance Caro kann sometimes the Queen goes to c7 attacking the advanced white pawn on e5.

But now we are merging into normal Queens placement moves to prepare for the middle game.

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The trouble is that, 8 times out of 10 (I would say) moving the Queen early at best loses a tempo or two in exchange for a pawn or and loses the Queen at worst. There are few "official" openings (Scandinavian Defense is the first one that comes to my mind) that involve an early queen move- usually to recapture the d-pawn -but these are rare and do not intend to use the Queen for much more than one move (The Scandinavian often has the Queen going back home!). If you want to have an opening where the Queen has a large role, invent your own. The "Starlight Attack, Botez Variation", maybe.

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they are a staple of the english defense where many lines involve black going qh5

Avatar of AmericanChadAGC

Dutch is much worse than the English. Calling them both flank pawns is funny considering how vastly different they are.

Avatar of starlight_warrior1

Thanks for the responses everyone. I'll try the openings out

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ChessAGC_YT wrote:

Dutch is much worse than the English. Calling them both flank pawns is funny considering how vastly different they are.

much... worse?

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F-pawn?

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I mean I think engine doesn't like the Dutch and it gets refuted at top level play but it probably wouldn't matter that much below like 2000 or in shorter time controls like Blitz

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I wouldn't know though I don't play it.

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starlight_warrior1 wrote:

I mean I think engine doesn't like the Dutch and it gets refuted at top level play but it probably wouldn't matter that much below like 2000 or in shorter time controls like Blitz

it's not "refuted" but it's easy to prepare against and easy to get an opening advantage from.

anyways you're not playing against masters so that matters very little.

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ChessAGC_YT wrote:

F-pawn?

if the point you're trying to make is "f pawn move is bad" then that argument isn't enough to claim the dutch is "much worse". If something is "much worse" there should be clear lines where the evaluation is obvious.

Avatar of AmericanChadAGC

bro it weakens the king

Here's the engine:

Dutch: + 0.6

Sicilian: + 0.4

Avatar of keep1teasy

nice engine analysis (its not there)

But I wasn't arguing that it didn't weaken the king. I argued that the weakening is not as bad as you make it out to be.

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I was going to post it but I had to leave sorry about that

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Here it is (updated now)

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sndeww wrote:

nice engine analysis (its not there)

But I wasn't arguing that it didn't weaken the king. I argued that the weakening is not as bad as you make it out to be.

yes, no? sometimes maybe yes