Are you strong enough to play Bird's opening

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mexico002

The Bird's Opening will often give you good positions.

However when you get a good position you need to be strong enough to find the best moves.

mexico002

Well are you?

Unmaster

I am, but I prefer openings where I don't have to find the best moves.  

ThrillerFan

A better question is "Are you strong enough to know that Bird's Opening is a weak choice and that there are far better openings to play as White?"

TupeloFreeman

A better question still is, "Are you strong enough to know that the phrase 'better openings,' only really applies to those who make practically no mistakes in the middle and endgames, and thus is only really relevant to Super GM's?"

Or, "Are you strong enough at thinking in general to know that if you're not a GM by your teens, this question will never matter to you, and the Bird is thus every bit as good as the Ruy or the Queen's Gambit?"

TheGreatOogieBoogie

Even though it's the worst opening for white outside of the A00 complex (even then 1.g3 1.a3 1.Nc3 and 1.e3 are better) it's still quite playable.  Like any opening is a draw with best play.  Today a friend played 1.f4 against me and they know I go for reversed Manhattan system, so they played h4 to try preventing g5 after I played h6.  I won after exploiting the hole at g3 and wrecking them. 

TheGreatOogieBoogie
mexico002

you're all clueless

Evilution
mexico002 wrote:

The Bird's Opening will often give you good positions.

However when you get a good position you need to be strong enough to find the best moves.

But why weaken your kingside on the first move?  1. e4 (or d4, c4, or Nf3) works much better and is alot easier to play!

rooperi

Bird's Opening was responsible for one of the weirdest experiences I've had at a tournament. I've only ever played it once, against a guy a few hundred points higher rated than me. About 15 moves in, I left the table for a smokebreak. About a minute later, my opponent joined me.

He told me he was really pleased I plyed 1 f4, he's never had the chance to play aginst that. He then started explaining what he would have done if I played different moves. We talked about the game dor about 20 minutes before we went back in. He won :(

It was very strange, I'm not sure if it's even legal to discus an ongoing game with your opponent.......

Scottrf
TupeloFreeman wrote:

A better question still is, "Are you strong enough to know that the phrase 'better openings,' only really applies to those who make practically no mistakes in the middle and endgames, and thus is only really relevant to Super GM's?"

Or, "Are you strong enough at thinking in general to know that if you're not a GM by your teens, this question will never matter to you, and the Bird is thus every bit as good as the Ruy or the Queen's Gambit?"

Nonsense.

Slowlsky

The Bird is about as bad as the player it's named after.

LoekBergman

I think that the Bird is very playable. I have countered it recently several times in games against petrosianpupil. You can compare it to Dutch, which is another underrated opening.

This game, that ended in a draw, is a game in which he gets an attack that is typical for the Bird. He is making good use of the move Qe1. (Which has its equivalent in Qe8 in the Leningrad variation of the Dutch.)

 



 

The end position is very remarkable. I have always learned that it is a dead draw, but Magnus Carlsen insisted on continu playing this type of position.

LoekBergman

Oh

sapientdust

That opening is for the birds.

LoekBergman
sapientdust wrote:

That opening is for the birds.

You make their day: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birds_%28film%29

TitanCG

1.f4 isn't dubious. The issue is that Black has a number of ways to get a comfortable position and possibly more if White tries to make something out of nothing.

LoekBergman

@melvinbluestone: thanks for the entertaining games.

15. Qh5 and 17... Rh3 are very beautiful moves.

How may people would find 17... Rh3 on the board? Amazingly beautiful!