Beginner? Don't use this opening - It's too theoretical! Better yet, don't learn any openings!

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royalknight101 wrote:
ukrainiandude wrote:

benoni and benko are quite underrated

the benoni is bad and the benko doesnt offer much unlike the evans and wing gambit

it works in blitz cuz no one knows theory for it

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royalknight101 wrote:
ukrainiandude wrote:

benoni and benko are quite underrated

the benoni is bad and the benko doesnt offer much unlike the evans and wing gambit

The Benko? It is literally the only sound gambit. 

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KID is definitely not underrated, slav is maybe.

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royalknight101 wrote:

i think we can all agree however that the KID and Slav for black are massively underrated and deserve more respect

underrated? the KID is the 2nd most popular response to d5, and the slav is the most played response against the QG

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Building an Opening Repertoire, Mark Dvoretsky: 

Your choice of opening should depend first and foremost on your own taste and style of play. 

In constructing an opening repertoire, you need to take your powers of memory into account. With a good memory, go ahead and learn 'opening variations'; with an indifferent memory, concentrate on 'opening schemes' - logical systems with a smaller amount of theory, in which it is more important to understand the position and know about typical ideas and resources than memorize specific details and precise move-orders. 

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Be a little more objective.

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royalknight101 wrote:
little_guinea_pig wrote:

oh look another thread by B1Z that degenerated into craziness

why am I not surprised

its called having "Negative talent in life" my friend and you should know if you learn from the god man himself, Benjamin Finegold

I had negative talent in life but I just reversed its polarity 🙃 

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The Benko isn't that bad I don't think.

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The Benko is sound. Unlike the Evan's Gambit.

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Sep-Gol wrote:

I disagree

I didn't learn ANY OPENINGS until I was 1800 OTB

tbh i got there quickly only took a year

So you mean to tell me you didn’t know the Italian at all, nor did you know what the fried liver was? You just winged it completely?

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royalknight101 wrote:

d4 does not give any good chances and is just dry, i would even prefer c4 over it

 

"Alexei Shirov in New In Chess Magazine 5/2008, “1.d4 is quite a popular weapon against the Petroff , Marshall and so on.” As White struggles to find an advantage against these defences and the Berlin Wall, many have found that life on the other side is indeed greener. The reason for this is quite simple."

"The openings after 1.d4 are for good reason called closed, as it is harder to launch an immediate attack on the opponent when you have not opened up the development of the kingside pieces, as you do when you play 1.e4. Among other things, this leads to less forcing positions. For this reason, it is less likely that the opponent will manage to analyse the opening all the way to a position where there is not much play left, where the draw is close; the opportunity to outplay your opponent is kept alive."

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wollyhood wrote:

So ah - at the risk of being annoying to this thread, do you think the Urusov gambit is fundamentally unsound? Or would it fit into the category mentioned above "well if neither player has many clues about chess it's as good as anything else"

I like it because I'm so crap at learning openings, and it's like throwing a grenade onto the board, there is action right from the start so it seems like it would be a good way to get the other person off book.

Have seen a titled player use the Elephant gambit a few times in live (in the same vein?), he has produced some carnage against other strong players.

I’m biased when it comes to the ursurov and elephant based on personal experiences. I love the former and hate the latter.

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royalknight101 wrote:
ukrainiandude wrote:

benoni and benko are quite underrated

the benoni is bad and the benko doesnt offer much unlike the evans and wing gambit

Silly. Judit used the benko during her rise to the top and the modern Benoni is adopted by players of all strengths.

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beginner7196 wrote:
royalknight101 wrote:

d4 does not give any good chances and is just dry, i would even prefer c4 over it

 

"Alexei Shirov in New In Chess Magazine 5/2008, “1.d4 is quite a popular weapon against the Petroff , Marshall and so on.” As White struggles to find an advantage against these defences and the Berlin Wall, many have found that life on the other side is indeed greener. The reason for this is quite simple."

"The openings after 1.d4 are for good reason called closed, as it is harder to launch an immediate attack on the opponent when you have not opened up the development of the kingside pieces, as you do when you play 1.e4. Among other things, this leads to less forcing positions. For this reason, it is less likely that the opponent will manage to analyse the opening all the way to a position where there is not much play left, where the draw is close; the opportunity to outplay your opponent is kept alive."

Good quotes.

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Can’t think of any off the top of my head. But I can’t think of any top players who play the Slav all the time either. Because I don’t care what top players play.

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B1ZMARK wrote:

Can’t think of any off the top of my head. But I can’t think of any top players who play the Slav all the time either. Because I don’t care what top players play.

alot of 2200s use it

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royalknight101 wrote:
fleshlumpeater wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:

Can’t think of any off the top of my head. But I can’t think of any top players who play the Slav all the time either. Because I don’t care what top players play.

alot of 2200s use it

in OTB?

I’d think so.

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royalknight101 wrote:
vajolet07 wrote:

Definately agree. This was my opening repertiore up until around 2000

 

 
 

 

thats not the vans opening and the 2nd one is the evans gambit not a wing

no i just meant that i wing it (idiom in england meaning like make it up)

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idiom in America as well.

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yes i thought so lol