best d4 deviation?

vote which one do you considered the best d4 system or deviation ill post some exaple maybe i forget some

1) Trompowsky attack

2) Torre attack

3) london system

4) colle system

5) koltanowski phoenix attack

6) the veresov

should i put catalan here ? xD

i suppose you mean for white?

Catalan is kind of main line, so probably not.

Trompowsky is probably the most dangerous theoretically, but the London has the advantage that most people underestimates the problems it creates.

I've seen GMs using the Tromp during simuls. 

Tromp fo' sho.

No one of the above systems can be an End-All/Be-All solution for White.  Here's how I rank them, adding the Barry Attack to the list:

1) Trompowsky - Though only effective vs 1...Nf6 or 1...f5.  Inferior against 1...d5 due to many new ideas for Black with 2...f6!

2) Torre Attack - Though only effective vs 1...Nf6 and 2...e6 or 2...g6.  If 2...d5, White can't expect anything if he doesn't play c4, leading to a Queen's Gambit or Catalan.  1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.Bg5?! Ne4 is good for Black.

3) Veresov - Though only effective vs 1...d5 or 1...Nf6.  2.Nc3 gives Black easy equality against the Dutch.

4) Phoenix Attack - Only Effective vs 1...d5.

5) Colle System - Only Effective vs 1...d5, and these old lines with e4 instead of b4 are severely flawed because of the a7-g1 diagonal

6) Barry Attack - Only Effective vs 1...Nf6 and 2...g6.  A microscopic bit better than the London System

7) London System - Utterly Useless!  White gets absolutely nothing, and you couldn't pay me to play this opening EVER.

I have actually played the first 5 in tournament competition!  I refuse to play the last two!

I always get annoyed by Bg5 against the Dutch, it seems wierd to do that.

Being one that has played the Dutch for years, I can tell you that Black's difficultly mostly comes in the main lines with an early g3 (preventing b6 and Bb7).

Of all the Anti-Dutch lines, the Spike is dubious (take g, then advance g3), the Staunton is dubious (Main line of defense with 4...Nc6), 2.Nc3 is equal with ZERO advantage for White (2...Nf6 - There is some question to Black's position after 2...d5 3.Bf4, but 2...Nf6 3.Bg5 d5 4.Bxf6 exf6 leaves Black with a static position with no e5 break, but he still holds many winning chances and the position is completely equal - Semi-Open e-file, Bishop Pair, etc), 2.Bg5 is interesting and unclear - Black can probably get equality, but it's not quite as simple as against g4, e4, or Nc3.

And by the way, don't listen to pfren - He thinks he knows everything just because he has that title by his name - He doesn't know everything.  Does he know more than most?  Most surely!  But that doesn't mean he knows everything, and clearly he knows nothing about me.  As you mentioned, I am over 2000 over the board, and I lay no claim to knowing everything like he claims, but if you need help in certain openings, I make no claim to be able to help you in all of them.  However, you have questions on the Caro-Kann, Berlin, King's Gambit (Black Side), Modern, Stonewall Dutch, Classical Dutch, Anti-Dutch Lines, Tarrasch, Catalan, Queen's Gambit, Fianchetto KID/Grunfeld/Benko, French Advance, Austrian Attack against the Pirc or Modern, Four Knights Game, Ruy Lopez, Alekhine with 4.Nf3, Closed Sicilian, or a3-Sicilian, I can help.  Those listed "Tarrasch" and earlier I predominantly play as Black, though if you had a Question from the White side I could probably answer it accurately.  Those listed Catalan onwards are lines I've predominantly played as White.  I play other lines besides those mentioned, but make no claim to know them as well (i.e. Sicilian Taimanov), or to even understand them at all (i.e. Sicilian Najdorf)

Why don't people just make diagrams instead of long word posts?

1.d4 f5 2. Nc3 d5 seems principled against Nc3. Anyone know anything about this line?

Is the spike by any chance the Manhattan Gambit? 

Here's an instructive Veresov game against the Dutch:

blueslick - back about 10 to 15 years ago, this was thought to be Black's best response.  Now, 3.Bf4 raises a lot of question marks in that line, far more than anything White can do with 2...Nf6 3.Bg5 d5, even after 4.e3.

Also, don't base soundness on statistics.  If you did that, the King's Indian Defense would be refuted by the Bayonet Attack because of a scare in the late 90s where White was winning left and right.  Sheer coinceidence!

In addition, if you go sheerly on statistics, then after 1.d4 f5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bg5 d5 4.e3, Black scores 60% with 4...Be6, so I guess that must make that move spectacular!  5.Ne2 scores 100% for Black and 5.Bd3 and 5.Nf3 both score a flat 50%.  I think you get the point here.  Statistics aren't everything!

Inadequate - Keep in mind that I never said Black has an "easy" game or "Simple" routes to victory.  I'm simply saying theoretically, it's dead equal.  However, it's not equal of the "simple" variety like say, the Exchange French is.  You could play an exchange French with no previous French Theory knowledge and you'd still be fine.  Not so with the 2.Nc3 Dutch.

So what does this mean?  It means you'll likely score many wins with it against lower opposition who doesn't know opening theory.  However, your score will decrease at a more rapid rate than it normally would with other lines against upper echelon opposition.

Thegreatoogieboogie - Where I am at the moment the diagrams don't come up, so I can't see your board.  The Poisoned Spike Gambit is 1.d4 f5 2.g4 fxg3 3.h3 to which Black should reply 3...g3 with a slight edge for Black.

The dutch is a crutch for people who cant play real chess! These DUTCH PEOPLE should go back home to their windmills!