Best line against KID
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blunderawy
Mar 22, 2023
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#1
Hello guys, when i go d4 and face kf6 should i continue with c4 or switch to kc3 (jobava) i’m really struggling with d4 c4 against the kid and would love to know your recommendation on the best (easiest line to study) against that, tia
I would recommend continuing with d4-c4. It's just about understanding the ideas behind the lines. There are a lot of different flavours of King's Indian for white. I think it's just about finding the one which is right for you.
I will showcase some of the major variations.
Classical System
Bayonet Attack
Sämisch
Averbakh
Four Pawns Attack
Makogonov
Fianchetto
Each of these variations has its own plans and ideas to gain an advantage.
Sorry if it's a bit much at once.
If you would like me to elaborate on any variation, feel free to ask.
I often use this line against KID or the Pirc. They work out pretty good.
I don't play the Jobava, so I'll comment on the 2.c4 route.
The classical is very theoretical and Bayonet leads to very complex positions which need a lot of analysis.
Pick one of the restriction systems, Saemish, Averbakh or Makagonov.
Go for the Saemish, which has the stamp of approval of Karpov and Tigran Petrosian.
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
Averbakh
In the Averbakh White doesn't take as in the line you pasted, instead White takes 9. exd, and generally in these structures when it's an option.
In the Modern Benoni it's not an option, hence cxd. The averbakh KID however, is not a modern Benoni when Black chooses the 6. ..c5 route.
Pasting lines doesn't work...
ssctk wrote:
In the Averbakh White doesn't take as in the line you pasted, instead White takes 9. exd, and generally in these structures when it's an option.
In the Modern Benoni it's not an option, hence cxd. The averbakh KID however, is not a modern Benoni when Black chooses the 6. ..c5 route.
Pasting lines doesn't work...
I know both exd5 and cxd5 are played but exd5 is played more. cxd5 seems most natural to me as it's the common Benoni structure. It also still seems to be ok for white. There's probably a deeper idea I'm not understanding though.
Can you explain why exd5 is better in this case?
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
ssctk wrote:
In the Averbakh White doesn't take as in the line you pasted, instead White takes 9. exd, and generally in these structures when it's an option.
In the Modern Benoni it's not an option, hence cxd. The averbakh KID however, is not a modern Benoni when Black chooses the 6. ..c5 route.
Pasting lines doesn't work...
I know both exd5 and cxd5 are played but exd5 is played more. cxd5 seems most natural to me as it's the common Benoni structure but there's probably a deeper idea I'm not understanding.
Can you explain why it's better?
The Mauricio Flores book has a chapter on each structure.
The TLDR version is exd is the better structure (for White), as unlike cxd, there's no counterplay vs the e4 pawn. Black is solid though. Polugaevsky used to make a living playing the exd as White.
It makes no sense to capture cxd in the ..c5 Averbakh, it's a legal move but positionally exd is just much better.
nuttyt wrote:
I often use this line against KID or the Pirc. They work out pretty good.
The pirc and KID are different openings, in the KID there's a famous miniature that shows well why an early e5 advance by White is not a good idea.
Fischer's comments in his "my 60 memorable games" are also very instructive on the theme of overextending the centre early on.
An early e5 is one of the worst things White can do vs the KID.
This is why when I play d4 and they play the knight out I play Nc3. Then if they then play g6 I then play e4. I usually convert from the Jobava London.
nuttyt wrote:
This is why when I play d4 and they play the knight out I play Nc3. Then if they then play g6 I then play e4. I usually convert from the Jobava London.
That's not a KID though
Yea but it still converts into the same position for instance the d6 is the first move then they go Nf6. but the original post asked about Nf6. So it's basically the same thing it just converts into the pirc.
ssctk wrote:
The pirc and KID are different openings, in the KID there's a famous miniature that shows well why an early e5 advance by White is not a good idea.
Fischer's comments in his "my 60 memorable games" are also very instructive on the theme of overextending the centre early on.
An early e5 is one of the worst things White can do vs the KID.
24. Kxf4 Bh6# wow.
nuttyt wrote:
I often use this line against KID or the Pirc. They work out pretty good.
After Nc3, d5 is much stronger for black. The knight blocks the c pawn so white can't pressure black's centre with c4. That c4 move is worth the tempo.
Also you didn't explain what to do against the good moves.
The variation of the Pirc you showed is the Byrne variation. Ultimately, e5 is premature as white is disolving their own centre without being fully developed. The main moves are Qd2 and f4.
Yes it says in the description the Byrne. If black plays d5 after Nc3 that just goes into the normal Jobava London then you bring the bishop out to f4.
Mar 23, 2023
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#18
going for the bayonet attack in the main line makes the game fun and chaotic, but going for the sämich variation with opposite side castling can be fun as well
Mar 23, 2023
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#19
agianst the pirc the austrian attack can be quite fun with you castling kingside as white and pushing your kingside pawns at the same time for a big attack