Best line in Jobava-Prie Attack

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Kretinovich

What is blacks best move after Bf4? I will try this line versus a 2260 in a club championship and I´m trying to find out which line is the best to play. I know Jobava is a creative player but are his line playable If white is striving for an advantage? All answers are appreciated

 

BronsteinPawn

The line with 10.h4 is pretty weird, but I have seen many players use it so I dont think it is busted.

BronsteinPawn

I think you should go for it if the 2260 is significantly better when playing mainlines and known structures for him, and I think you should go with your normal stuff if you dont think playing this funky line will affect his strenght.

 

lamarclayborne

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RussBell

The Jobava Attack is discussed extensively in Chapter 8 of "The Agile London System" by Alfonso Romero & Oscar de Prado (New In Chess, 2016).

There are 3 primary games, analyzed-annotated in detail, featuring this attack as follows:

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Bf4 etc....

A) for 3...a6 - Baadur Jobava - Boris Savchenko Minsk 2014 (5)

(Notes to the game above succinctly examine several games, featuring 3...e6, 3...c6, and 3...g6 - all apparently as secondary sidelines.  Of these, the authors comment that 3...e6 is a very solid and popular alternative.)

B) for 3...Bf5 - Baadur Jobava - Shakhriyar Mamedyarov Dubai 2014 (3)

C) for 3...c5 - Richard Rapport - Emil Sutovsky Tromse 2014 (9)

In the analysis of these games, the authors do not appear to have recommended any of Black's responses as superior to any of the others (although I have not examined the analysis in detail).

Kretinovich

BronsteinPawn wrote:

The line with 10.h4 is pretty weird, but I have seen many players use it so I dont think it is busted.

He knows I play london so I need to variate

BronsteinPawn
Leo_C escribió:
BronsteinPawn wrote:

The line with 10.h4 is pretty weird, but I have seen many players use it so I dont think it is busted.

He knows I play london so I need to variate

Play 1.e4 then, LOL!

What does he play against the Queen's Gambits? Have you thought about hitting him hard with a minority attack if he plays the QGD? Safe not to get destroyed, and if your attack suceeds you can have fun pushing in the endgame.

BronsteinPawn

 @Leo_C, play the KIA!!!!!!

Kretinovich

We'll see

ruben72d

on principal it's not a good idea to block your c-pawn with your knight in a queen's pawn opening.  Since you obviously know this this will probably not be a good argument against your case. However I would still advise against your opening choice: as your opponent is stronger (based on your blitz rating on this site, correct me if i'm wrong), chances are that playing unprincipled in an opening you have never played before will do you little good. I would suggest playing what you know, even if he knows what you play. The london is known for the solid positions and thus a very small edge for white going into the middlegame. Given you have the most experience in london type positions this should be enough to get you a comfortable middlegame. Playing a (very slightly) inferior line against tougher opposition never seemed a good idea to me, as the chances that the opponent will be surprised are lower if the rating goes up. This goes especially if you have 0 playing experience in the surprise opening.

 

Kretinovich

ruben72d wrote:

on principal it's not a good idea to block your c-pawn with your knight in a queen's pawn opening.  Since you obviously know this this will probably not be a good argument against your case. However I would still advise against your opening choice: as your opponent is stronger (based on your blitz rating on this site, correct me if i'm wrong), chances are that playing unprincipled in an opening you have never played before will do you little good. I would suggest playing what you know, even if he knows what you play. The london is known for the solid positions and thus a very small edge for white going into the middlegame. Given you have the most experience in london type positions this should be enough to get you a comfortable middlegame. Playing a (very slightly) inferior line against tougher opposition never seemed a good idea to me, as the chances that the opponent will be surprised are lower if the rating goes up. This goes especially if you have 0 playing experience in the surprise opening.

 

Your reasoning seems good. However my opponent knows and FM(martin lokander) who is very good at openings. My fear is that the FM will give him some deep prep against london,therefore I want to surprise him. I wonder if it enough to do some research on the jobava attack and do a deep prep

BronsteinPawn

Just play the Larsen. Lol.

BronsteinPawn

What do you mean by deep prep, I dont think studying "theory" will help you much with the Jobava, you would do best analyzing games from Jobava and Rapport IMHO.

BronsteinPawn

So basically what you are looking for is to put both you and your opponent in a weird middlegame you dont understand and hope he understands it less?

Looks reasonable, probably the adrenaline will kill you tho.

yureesystem

Nice addition to the London system.

Kretinovich

yureesystem wrote:

Nice addition to the London system.

:), something has to be tried, He will probably play queens or nimzo indian against 2.c4

Kretinovich

Leo_C skrev:

yureesystem wrote:

Nice addition to the London system.

:), something has to be tried, He will probably play queens or nimzo indian against 2.c4

I might start with a normal london like Bf5 and e3 on c5 and only on Qb6 Will I play Nc3

testaaaaa
RussBell wrote:

The Jobava Attack is discussed extensively in Chapter 8 of "The Agile London System" by Alfonso Romero & Oscar de Prado (New In Chess, 2016).

There are 3 primary games, analyzed-annotated in detail, featuring this attack as follows:

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Bf4 etc....

A) for 3...a6 - Baadur Jobava - Boris Savchenko Minsk 2014 (5)

(Notes to the game above succinctly examine several games, featuring 3...e6, 3...c6, and 3...g6 - all apparently as secondary sidelines.  Of these, the authors comment that 3...e6 is a very solid and popular alternative.)

B) for 3...Bf5 - Baadur Jobava - Shakhriyar Mamedyarov Dubai 2014 (3)

C) for 3...c5 - Richard Rapport - Emil Sutovsky Tromse 2014 (9)

In the analysis of these games, the authors do not appear to have recommended any of Black's responses as superior to any of the others (although I have not examined the analysis in detail).

thanks for the games

testaaaaa

i bumped it while searching the jobava maybe he can tell now if it was sucessful

SaintMark
Leo_C wrote:

What is blacks best move after Bf4? I will try this line versus a 2260 in a club championship and I´m trying to find out which line is the best to play. I know Jobava is a creative player but are his line playable If white is striving for an advantage? All answers are appreciated

 

 Firstly, it's not the Jobava-Prie attack, or the Jobava line or any other opening with Jobava's name in it, and as far as I know Jobava has never claimed it is. The correct name for the opening is Mark's Opening.

 Bf5 is probably the best 3rd move for black.

 With the c5 line, white is probably better playing 5 Nb5, rather than immediately taking the pawn, threatening Nc7, forcing black to put his knight on the edge of the board on a6.