Best line in Jobava-Prie Attack

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What is blacks best move after Bf4? I will try this line versus a 2260 in a club championship and I´m trying to find out which line is the best to play. I know Jobava is a creative player but are his line playable If white is striving for an advantage? All answers are appreciated

 

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Hi, I think the only motivation for 4 Nb5 is for a belated c4. I think it probably gives easy equality. B f5 is fine ... probably better than e6.

Given that no-one is really going to play Nb5, which is weak, I'd play c6 here, to force white to reveal his hand a little. It's well motivated because white is relying on piece activity so it makes sense to close the game a little. On the other hand, c5 may give white what he's after.

What do you think?

I've a feeling the h4 line is probably ok.

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The line with 10.h4 is pretty weird, but I have seen many players use it so I dont think it is busted.

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I think you should go for it if the 2260 is significantly better when playing mainlines and known structures for him, and I think you should go with your normal stuff if you dont think playing this funky line will affect his strenght.

 

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The Jobava Attack is discussed extensively in Chapter 8 of "The Agile London System" by Alfonso Romero & Oscar de Prado (New In Chess, 2016).

There are 3 primary games, analyzed-annotated in detail, featuring this attack as follows:

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Bf4 etc....

A) for 3...a6 - Baadur Jobava - Boris Savchenko Minsk 2014 (5)

(Notes to the game above succinctly examine several games, featuring 3...e6, 3...c6, and 3...g6 - all apparently as secondary sidelines.  Of these, the authors comment that 3...e6 is a very solid and popular alternative.)

B) for 3...Bf5 - Baadur Jobava - Shakhriyar Mamedyarov Dubai 2014 (3)

C) for 3...c5 - Richard Rapport - Emil Sutovsky Tromse 2014 (9)

In the analysis of these games, the authors do not appear to have recommended any of Black's responses as superior to any of the others (although I have not examined the analysis in detail).

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BronsteinPawn wrote:

The line with 10.h4 is pretty weird, but I have seen many players use it so I dont think it is busted.

He knows I play london so I need to variate

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Leo_C escribió:
BronsteinPawn wrote:

The line with 10.h4 is pretty weird, but I have seen many players use it so I dont think it is busted.

He knows I play london so I need to variate

Play 1.e4 then, LOL!

What does he play against the Queen's Gambits? Have you thought about hitting him hard with a minority attack if he plays the QGD? Safe not to get destroyed, and if your attack suceeds you can have fun pushing in the endgame.

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 @Leo_C, play the KIA!!!!!!

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We'll see

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on principal it's not a good idea to block your c-pawn with your knight in a queen's pawn opening.  Since you obviously know this this will probably not be a good argument against your case. However I would still advise against your opening choice: as your opponent is stronger (based on your blitz rating on this site, correct me if i'm wrong), chances are that playing unprincipled in an opening you have never played before will do you little good. I would suggest playing what you know, even if he knows what you play. The london is known for the solid positions and thus a very small edge for white going into the middlegame. Given you have the most experience in london type positions this should be enough to get you a comfortable middlegame. Playing a (very slightly) inferior line against tougher opposition never seemed a good idea to me, as the chances that the opponent will be surprised are lower if the rating goes up. This goes especially if you have 0 playing experience in the surprise opening.

 

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ruben72d wrote:

on principal it's not a good idea to block your c-pawn with your knight in a queen's pawn opening.  Since you obviously know this this will probably not be a good argument against your case. However I would still advise against your opening choice: as your opponent is stronger (based on your blitz rating on this site, correct me if i'm wrong), chances are that playing unprincipled in an opening you have never played before will do you little good. I would suggest playing what you know, even if he knows what you play. The london is known for the solid positions and thus a very small edge for white going into the middlegame. Given you have the most experience in london type positions this should be enough to get you a comfortable middlegame. Playing a (very slightly) inferior line against tougher opposition never seemed a good idea to me, as the chances that the opponent will be surprised are lower if the rating goes up. This goes especially if you have 0 playing experience in the surprise opening.

 

Your reasoning seems good. However my opponent knows and FM(martin lokander) who is very good at openings. My fear is that the FM will give him some deep prep against london,therefore I want to surprise him. I wonder if it enough to do some research on the jobava attack and do a deep prep

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Just play the Larsen. Lol.

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What do you mean by deep prep, I dont think studying "theory" will help you much with the Jobava, you would do best analyzing games from Jobava and Rapport IMHO.

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So basically what you are looking for is to put both you and your opponent in a weird middlegame you dont understand and hope he understands it less?

Looks reasonable, probably the adrenaline will kill you tho.

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Nice addition to the London system.

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yureesystem wrote:

Nice addition to the London system.

:), something has to be tried, He will probably play queens or nimzo indian against 2.c4

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Leo_C skrev:

yureesystem wrote:

Nice addition to the London system.

:), something has to be tried, He will probably play queens or nimzo indian against 2.c4

I might start with a normal london like Bf5 and e3 on c5 and only on Qb6 Will I play Nc3

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RussBell wrote:

The Jobava Attack is discussed extensively in Chapter 8 of "The Agile London System" by Alfonso Romero & Oscar de Prado (New In Chess, 2016).

There are 3 primary games, analyzed-annotated in detail, featuring this attack as follows:

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Bf4 etc....

A) for 3...a6 - Baadur Jobava - Boris Savchenko Minsk 2014 (5)

(Notes to the game above succinctly examine several games, featuring 3...e6, 3...c6, and 3...g6 - all apparently as secondary sidelines.  Of these, the authors comment that 3...e6 is a very solid and popular alternative.)

B) for 3...Bf5 - Baadur Jobava - Shakhriyar Mamedyarov Dubai 2014 (3)

C) for 3...c5 - Richard Rapport - Emil Sutovsky Tromse 2014 (9)

In the analysis of these games, the authors do not appear to have recommended any of Black's responses as superior to any of the others (although I have not examined the analysis in detail).

thanks for the games

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i bumped it while searching the jobava maybe he can tell now if it was sucessful