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If you're interested in a solid set up that you can play against anything chess already has thoes -- they're called systems.  I found this chess.com artical that talkes about a few of them.

http://www.chess.com/article/view/3-simple-opening-systems

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for example, the italian game is a nice opening

 

learn an opening that is played often yet is simple- you can get the most feedback and the most advice when you play it

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tigergutt wrote:

your pawns may seem reasonable placed but remember, you activated your first officer at the 5th move! you will have a rough time against blacks better developed pieces and that is not what you want as white? to be struggling to not get mated in a hurry?:) by the way after looking on your positions i suspect the colle zukertort might be a opening for you:) easy to learn but still played at gmlevel but if you do maybe you should play 1e4 e5 as black going for the open games? thats because whatever advantage or lead you get in chess the position must open up for any advantage to be realized:) its important to get open games practice. thats something i painfully learned a while ago after losing game after game despite knowing the closed positions better


I don't know what you mean that I activated my first officer on my fifth move.

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why don't you open Qh4 to block the repeat

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orangehonda wrote:

If you're interested in a solid set up that you can play against anything chess already has thoes -- they're called systems.  I found this chess.com artical that talkes about a few of them.

http://www.chess.com/article/view/3-simple-opening-systems


Thank you, they look good to me and I will try them out.

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lol you guys... he's asking if this is a solid system -- those exmaple games were just to show the set up, it wasn't an actual game, I think that's fairly obvious.

Maybe next time post a diagram instead of a sequence of moves and have the black side with just it's king.

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rrrttt wrote:

why don't you open Qh4 to block the repeat


Please go get some spectacles then read the entire post again, thank you.

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orangehonda wrote:

lol you guys... he's asking if this is a solid system -- those exmaple games were just to show the set up, it wasn't an actual game, I think that's fairly obvious.

Maybe next time post a diagram instead of a sequence of moves and have the black side with just it's king.


Thank you, that is what I was asking. The problem with a diagram is that it does not show the order of moves and I want to know if I am doing the moves in the right order. I know there was one person that said I should not fianchetto to early so maybe I should castle before I do that.

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Okay, I'll try to explain some openings I play, or played when I was still learning the game. You focus In the opening should be to develope quickly, control the center, and get you king to safe spot, and don't give up material without compensation.

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pvmike wrote:

Okay, I'll try to explain some openings I play, or played when I was still learning the game. You focus In the opening should be to develope quickly, control the center, and get you king to safe spot, and don't give up material without compensation.


Thank you, in my second opening I do have these moves but I also put in a fianchetto with the other bishop and developed knight to d2. Also the last move you made where the pawn moved to d4 is not protected enough to make a strong attack, and that is why I prefer d3.

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pvmike wrote:

Okay, I'll try to explain some openings I play, or played when I was still learning the game. You focus In the opening should be to develope quickly, control the center, and get you king to safe spot, and don't give up material without compensation.


isnt there a nice temporary sac available in that line?

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Rapidfire220 wrote:
Atos wrote:
Rapidfire220 wrote:

I don't know why you are going on about symmetry, if you read my entire post you find I have said nothing about symmetry and did the same moves for black just to make it simple.


I am sorry that I tried to respond. You don't seem to realize that chess is a game that has 2 players in it not only 1. Sorry that I interfered and please don't drag me into some further monologues.


You don't need to be sorry that you tried to respond. I am not annoyed, but I am not going to consider the endless possibilities of what the opponent could do when I am simply trying to find an opening which works for me. Next time please read the entire post before posting, and feel free to contribute.


Well you will find very few openings that work regardless of what your opponent does. In fact, probably none.

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Gambitking wrote:

Yeah, I think you can sac off your knight or something... LOL!

The Gambit King


LOL, yeah just looked at the position again.. I might of been thinking of something else EmbarassedYell

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pvmike wrote:

Okay, I'll try to explain some openings I play, or played when I was still learning the game. You focus In the opening should be to develope quickly, control the center, and get you king to safe spot, and don't give up material without compensation.


You said you don't give up material without compensation, but isn't that exactly what 5.d4 does?

4. c3 is the prefered line.

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Estragon wrote: The problem is you don't have "an opening" by just thinking of moves for you.  The opening is determined by move, counter-move, move, counter-move, move, counter-move, etc.  You cannot say, these are my moves which will be played or even I will play this formation, because the opponent gets a vote at every turn. In order for your ideas to be considered an opening, you will have to have a plan ahead of time for each reasonable move the opponent can make at every turn.  You don't have that; you have a vision, vaguely reminiscent of Franklin K. Young's several books . . . "Major Right Oblique, en appui" . . .

The principles are exactly the same: develop pieces, control the center and protect the king and I want to know if these are solid openings which do all these things.

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Ok, I'll take the time to answer your question instead of arguing with you Smile

The first few moves of your first setup remind me of the colle zukertort.  You may want to wiki it to see if you like it.  It's a solid system that can be played against about anything.

Ok, so on to the opening.  In your first set up you should know that double fianchetto openings are a bit dubious.  There are some openings that have them, but to plan to play it every time isn't so great.

The idea of the fianchetto is to let your opponent build a center and then counter attack it with pawn breaks, which brings me to point two.  In this first set up you want to keep at least the c pawn open to advance, otherwise you'll find you're too passive.

Finally, I played a game against it, pretending it was a real blitz game and used your moves as my opponents.  I also leave comments about what I'd be thinking after each move during a blitz game.

 

 

Your second setup is a solid one.  It looks like a King's Indian Attack (KIA) which the young Fischer used to play.  You could Wiki the KIA to see if you like it :)

I don't do a sample game because it's a well known system that honestly will work against just about anything.

 

In the final position of your third setup the bishop is stranded on c4.  It's very likey that before you're done and castled your opponent will kick it away with a pawn (eg a6, b5).

You start off with a bishop's opening... then play e3, which is treating the center too passive IMO.  Remember the fianchetto is all about counter attacking the center but again you block up your c and f pawns.  Also you should know it's hard to mix e4 with a queenside fianchetto.  I don't know such a position is called, but it's known as dubious.

Lastly, by virtue of opening e4, it's likely that before you're done with your third setup your oponent will challenge your center with a move like d5.  Again I play a sample game.  (I usually play 1.d5 in blitz but I played my standard which is the french).

Oh, also notice that in the final position of the above game you wont be able to fianchetto your queen's bishop anymore because of your bishop on b3.  You could of course force it, but it would take a lot of time and make your position worse.

As a final note, generally speaking, you castle too late in each of the sample setups.

Like I said, it may be benificial to wiki the KIA and the colle zukertort to see if those appeal to you.

Good luck finding an opening system that suits you.

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it's not bad maybe consider playing the pawn to c4 befor you move the knight to gain space

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Patzer101 wrote:

it's not bad maybe consider playing the pawn to c4 befor you move the knight to gain space


Okay but how could that be achieved? Moving the pawn to c4 would block the bishop which is not good.

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Rapidfire220 wrote:
Patzer101 wrote:

it's not bad maybe consider playing the pawn to c4 befor you move the knight to gain space


Okay but how could that be achieved? Moving the pawn to c4 would block the bishop which is not good.


Like I said in my longer post the point of the finachetto is breaking up your opponent's center later.  When you set up with e4,d3 or d4,e3 and then block your c and f pawns and fianchetto the bishops it gets to be too passive.  If you don't see how that's so bad try these out in a couple of blitz games to see what you might want to change. 

This isn't true about the second setup.  The second formation was probably the most solid (you can continue c4 or c3,d4).

I tried to show you a little of what might happen in the example games (only your first formation had any real problems), and referred you to solid systems that are very similar to what you've come up with.