Best Variations against QG?

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checkmateisnear wrote:

I don't see how Black could be playing for a win in either of those lines

 

Just by looking at the positions I don't understand what you mean. Also look at the statistics. To me it looks like they favor black in these lines.

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Seems like White is scoring around 60% at move 12 of the main line(my main line)
And also the 10.Nxd7 line

Also you don't have to quote everything Smile 

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checkmateisnear wrote:

Seems like White is scoring around 60% at move 12 of the main line(my main line)
And also the 10.Nxd7 line

Also you don't have to quote everything  


That's not what the statistics say here: http://www.chessok.com/?page_id=352

That database is pretty up to date.

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I'm referring to the chessbase online database.
It has 20+ games at the position at move 12.(Black's move)  and shows white scoring 59.1%

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  1. The discussion has moved quite a long way from the original topic...
  2. 20-30 games around move 12 is not that much actually and might either mean that the line in question is either new and theory not established or that there's something suspicious about it for white or black.
  3. The chessok database mentioned by  AtahanT above is not up to date with regards to this variation as it doesn't show any white wins from the position after 11. dxe5. Yet, there have been few grandmaster games from recent years won by white in this variation. In particular the high level encounter below.

 

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Well my original point is just that these lines are fully playable at any level and black is no worse then white here eventhough it is not that theory heavy like the mainline. It's just not true that white is the only one playing for a win here.

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Tartakower variation is one of the best black´s answer for QGD. Try to play it.
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AtahanT wrote:

Well my original point is just that these lines are fully playable at any level and black is no worse then white here eventhough it is not that theory heavy like the mainline. It's just not true that white is the only one playing for a win here.


So far White has won 6 times Black 2 times and the rest are draws also
White has been getting at least a draw in all 2600+ games

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checkmateisnear wrote:
AtahanT wrote:

Well my original point is just that these lines are fully playable at any level and black is no worse then white here eventhough it is not that theory heavy like the mainline. It's just not true that white is the only one playing for a win here.


So far White has won 6 times Black 2 times and the rest are draws also
White has been getting at least a draw in all 2600+ games


Aye but these positions are dynamic enough to not be that drawish below master level. I assume the OP is not a master player or he would simply go for the mainlines no questions asked. That few games doesn't really prove one way or the other. Black is fine.

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Black is theoretically fine in all mainlines.
But usually a bit worse (otherwise they wouldn't be the mainlines because white wouldn't play them) 

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checkmateisnear wrote:

Black is theoretically fine in all mainlines.
But usually a bit worse (otherwise they wouldn't be the mainlines because white wouldn't play them) 


Aye, my point is that black is fine enough for the OP.

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GOOPS wrote:

True


I like "Touche" better Smile