Budapest Defense Repertoire

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You don't think I can beat a Master playing the Budapest?

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And the Houdini offer is a bit of a red herring. I couldn't beat Houdini if it gave me pawn odds. The Budapest is not as bad by any means as giving pawn odds. I might do okay in a 30 minute match if it gave me piece odds and draw odds. Or maybe f-and-g-pawn-odds with draw odds as well. But Budapest odds only, nope. You'd have to offer that as a centaur game.

The better challenge of the Budapest is a round robin centaur match, or just a head-to-head centaur match. Keep in mind in those cases you'll also be able to play the white side.

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To: NM ozzie_c_cobblepot

Yes I do not believe you can beat a Master playing the Budapest on you. Usually
a Master who plays the Budapest will have it very well prepared theoretically.
And will probably know the Budapest better than you. This master would have
the advantage.

Best Regards
DarthMusashi

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This theoretical master who knows the Budapest better than I do - what if he were playing white against another master who plays the Budapest?

Who wins that one?

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ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

The Budapest is not a good opening. The reason people play it is because they wish to avoid theory. If white plays 2.Nf3 well you're just SOL I guess huh. Funny to be out of book by move 2.

But that's what you get for playing the Budapest.


Funny. Say you play the Nimzo-Indian. White plays 2. Nf3. You're "out of book by move 2." By your logic the Nimzo-Indian is not a good opening.

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It's not the same, because there are often transpositional possibilities into the Nimzo, plus many other openings are similar. But yes, it shouldn't be your only opening. I guess if you really want a single opening defense to d4 go with the Dutch?
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I've been thinking about it...  But the Budapest has the exact same "transpositional possibilities" as the Nimzo after 2. Nf3

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Like what? How? Or are you saying they both have zero?
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1. d4 Nf6 both lead into the Nimzo or the Budapest, and 2. Nf3 puts both of them "out of book"

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1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.c4 Bb4+ 4.Nc3

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Many in this thread, are saying the Budpest is not good.

Maybe if we were talking about GM-games, but as I understand this discussion, it's about games between class players.

Myself with a OTB rating below 1500, have started to play the Budapest, and so far my results are good. As a low rated player, I need to get tactical games, with much piece-play. And the Budapest gives me that.

I don't have to play Budapest rest of my life. When and if my rating raise, I probably will try something else against 1.d4

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nope, opening is still bad